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all right good evening Fade to Black

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that's right today is Thursday June 1st

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a brand new month

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2023. tonight Our Guest is Max Hawthorne

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we're going to be discussing mega sharks

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and megalodon that's right is there

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evidence of the giant shark still

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existing

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ocean is a big place it's really big and

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we're going to be discussing all of that

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tonight he's an author he's a

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screenwriter he's referred to as the

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prince of paleo fiction he's best known

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for his Cronus Rising series of sci-fi

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suspension Thrillers he was born in

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Brooklyn attended School in Philadelphia

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where he graduated from in the

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University of the Arts in addition to

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being a best-selling novelist he's a

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singer he's a songwriter he didn't

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mention one thing about my guitars by

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the way right he's a paleontologist

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Cryptid researcher igfa world record

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holding angler that's that's he fishes

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and a voting member of the author's

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Guild and I would like to welcome for

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the first time to Fade to Black Max

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Hawthorne Max he didn't say anything

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about the guitars behind me

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I honestly didn't notice because I was

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so enraptured by our Converse station

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and whatnot you know plus I got these

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vampire glasses on so I can barely see

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the screen yeah okay okay fair enough

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fair enough all right uh I'm not buying

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anything that you're selling right now

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but let's uh let's get to the First Time

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guest disclaimer Max which is this this

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is you and I just sitting on my couch

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having a conversation and where that

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conversation starts or starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends there you go the disclaimer's

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over are you ready that sounds great and

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by the way thank you for having me on

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tonight it's it's an honor and a

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privilege as as Benny Hill used to say

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yeah well the the honor and privilege is

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all mine um this is what I meant yeah

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okay good good that's also what Benny

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Hill used to say that I used to love

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that I remember I I was like in sixth

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grade right in there right it's great

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and uh I go over to spend the night at

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one of my neighbors house his name is

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Keith and I'm like 10 and he goes dude

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there's a show called Benny Hill

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and once in a while they'll have a naked

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lady on it

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I'm 10 right I'm like when does this

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start

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and uh and uh never did see what I never

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did see the naked lady running around

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maybe once but but uh yeah

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Benny Hill Benny Hill for a minute there

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kind of freaked out the world for sure

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he was hilarious I mean he could do more

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with a look than most stand-up comedians

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could do for their entire repertoire I

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love that show yeah yeah love that show

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the ocean let's start here

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the ocean is a big place

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and one of the quotes that gets used a

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lot when we talk about uh our planet is

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that we've we've mapped we've seen you

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know less than five percent of the

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oceans in the world and that's that's a

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mind-blowing number and I'm not even

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sure if it's that high right

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but when I was a kid

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I had a couple of uh experiences with

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sharks okay like direct like you know

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kind of stuff and and this is down in

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the Pacific Ocean in Central America and

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uh and I'm out sailing

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and off to my left I'm I'm I'm steering

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sailing right but I'm at the wheel

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and my dad is in front of me he is on

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the starboard side of the jib sale his

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back is to that the owner of the boat is

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down below deck I can see him in the

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galley I'm in the back it's the three of

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it's on the sailboat

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30-foot boat 33 foot decent sized

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sailboat and we're we're out we're doing

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our thing and then I'm going to guess

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and say a quarter mile

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somewhere between 100 yards and 400

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yards out you know out uh to on the port

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side my left

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this manta ray

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comes out of the water

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and and I don't know how big it is but

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it's bigger than the boat we are on okay

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wow and it catches the wind and it's

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coming towards me and its mouth you

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could have drove a car into its mouth

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all right I mean I'm looking right I

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could see the ribs on the inside of his

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mouth thing and then he goes back under

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the water and I never saw it again my

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point being it freaked me out that there

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is something like that and after that

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your head's on a swivel right you're

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just looking

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you don't know what is in the oceans and

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that thing was huge and and for me it

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was an experience of a lifetime we you

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know and and I never saw it again but

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there is stuff down there that we just

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don't have a clue about

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and when we talk about giant sharks or

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megalodons and Things They Live

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apparently forever right and that they

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don't need to come up they're not going

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to and we may never see them if they

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don't want to be found

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right

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um I don't know by the way the thing you

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said with the ribs with the manta ray

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that probably would have been its gills

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that you were seeing they have like

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gills Gill rakers

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they look like ribs yeah you would know

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better than me I just know that for that

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instant I looked right down its mouth

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which was huge

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I'm not sure it was it was 10 feet wide

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I guess that's crazy because I mean most

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manta rays don't get more than 20 feet

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wingspan so if you saw one that size

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that was a like a mutant Ray of mythical

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proportions

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it was crazy big it was crazy big

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um it's one of those stories right it's

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out at Sea it's my story and I'm gonna

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stick to it that's true but uh you were

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right when you said five percent but

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that's only five percent of the ocean

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floor it doesn't include the average of

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11 000 or so feet two plus miles of

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water above that ocean floor see what

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I'm saying so from a cubic perspective

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we've seen a grain of sand on a beach

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effectively of the ocean and and we all

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know it's it's it's deep and there are

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deep sections of it tonight we're going

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to be talking about giant sharks and and

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megalodon

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how how deep where's their favorite spot

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as far as depths go

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are we talking about the extinct

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characters

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megalodon or are you talking about

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sharks in general or what are we talking

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about here I'm confused

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that's a complicated question there well

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you see uh it's sort of it's sort of a

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complicated question when we're when

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we're talking about uh sharks we know

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that we see those on the shoreline and

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things but as the bigger sharks get do

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they like to get into deeper water and

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we don't necessarily make contact

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okay so well I think that depends on the

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species for example you get animals like

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uh six gills and sleeper sharks and

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stuff that are comfortable in extreme

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depths uh there was some video you

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probably seen where they were claiming

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it was a 60-foot Megalodon and really it

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was maybe a 25 or 30 foot uh six-year

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sleeper shark gnawing on a bait cage

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which is still in a men's shark but you

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see at that depth they're very lethargic

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they don't you know that fish is more of

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a scavenger at that point in that size

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Etc you're looking for 100 Predators I

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mean uh gosh Threshers go pretty deep

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for example that's why they have those

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huge eyes with their counter current

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heat exchangers so they can see and that

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kind of stuff come on

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um swordfish although that's not sharp

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but most of your sharks like white

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sharks makos things like that your

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pelagic fish

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um they tend to be more in warmer Waters

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they don't go super deep often

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um white sharks only are normally I mean

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they sometimes dive deep but

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it doesn't happen often I think like

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there's one instance for example of the

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farallons where killer whales killed a

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great white and then every white shark

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in the area disappeared for the rest of

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the season and they tracked one or two

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of them with trackers and they found out

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that once they realized one of their

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brothers had been taken down by orcas

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they all dive down to 1500 feet or

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something which is more than a worker

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can do in terms of hunting and they all

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swam to Hawaii

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so at that point they realized

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discretion was the better part of value

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and they ran away from their natural

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predator and so forth but I mean when

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you're talking about a shark like uh

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megalodon or any of the other extinct

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Mega two sharks most of those fish were

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tend to be tempered or warm water

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animals they would be more Coastal they

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would be in the upper part of the of the

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water column and they ate well

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especially Megalodon and such would feed

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on whales and things like that which are

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also tend to be usually even from like

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surface to 300 feet or so in depth

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normally so I mean you stay where the

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food is

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you know what I mean right right well

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that's the beaches that's uh

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there's a there's an old joke in comedy

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that goes around why do you know why do

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sharks attack or why do sharks hang out

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of beaches and

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it's where the food is it's you know

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that's if you're going to be doing that

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how common

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um is are humans and again I'm just here

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to learn right are humans just as tasty

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uh to a shark as anything else

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uh well let's see primates don't tend to

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be normally on the menu

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and again this 10 that's a species

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specific question

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um generally speaking they consider like

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shark attacks from a great white tend to

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be accidental

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you know misinterpretation they see a

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diver on the surface or on a surfboard

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and they believe it's a seal and that's

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how they like to hunt they'll be closer

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down to the bottom and they have uh they

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have uh I'm sure you're familiar with

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their color patterns they're darker on

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the top and white underneath that's

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counter shading

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reason

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um that's the white part is so that when

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a shark is swimming up on the surface or

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near the surface and if there's

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something under him looking up and

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considering making a Mew out of him like

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a larger shark an orca an enormous squid

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whatever it might be that white belly

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tends to blend in with the light at the

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surface and camouflages them a little

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bit

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whereas if he's hunting something and

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lurking along near the bottom you know

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great whites when they get big they

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change from episcoporous diet that means

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fish eating to Honey more marine mammals

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like pinnipeds things of that nature and

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then because they get bigger and slower

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which is a fact they become more like a

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Mugger

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you know so they want to creep along the

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bottom and their dark color on their

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dorsal region lets them blend in with

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the sea floor better and then when they

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see their prey looking out they're

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looking up they try and Rush up at it

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and get that one bite in do a lot of

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damage spit it out so they don't get

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hurt you know lose an eye or something

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like that I mean obviously if you're a

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seal you're going to fight for your life

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and you're going to bite

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a shark that's blind in one eye or both

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eyes is in trouble so they they spit it

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out they do the bite and spit routine

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they wait for it to Hemorrhage to bleed

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out you know and then they come and they

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eat it okay that's that's J that's the

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white sharks modus operandi as they say

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that's tiger sharks can be a little more

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uh

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I don't say they actually Target people

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but there are many instances in Hawaii

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where they seem to if you're on a

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surfboard and they keep coming after you

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and coming after you and it's not like

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Oh I thought you were a seal you know

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they seem to know and bull sharks

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sometimes they'll come after you and

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they won't let go they literally grab

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one they won't release but I mean human

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beings are not normally part of the menu

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but a lot of the animals are

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opportunistic

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know right they're like politicians you

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know they see an opportunity they want

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to sink their teeth into it

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again when I was a kid this is a Donna

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Panama too as well

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um uh had this uh friend of mine sitting

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next to me left in geometry class and I

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don't know what brought the subject up

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but we're talking about

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jaws and he says I was attacked by a

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shark

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I said you were because yeah check this

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out and he stands up and he pulls his

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shirt up

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and this he had the it's like right out

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of the movies right zigzag and teeth

347
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marks all the way around is all the way

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on his back like

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was this Rodney Fox by any chance no

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same with uh Jeff Scott okay okay so

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Jeff says to me I said what what

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happened he said I was out of toboga

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Island

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cliff diving there's a we had a cliff

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diving spot out at this island it's

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really cool we all did it and I never

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did it after he told me this story by

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the way but anyway he's cliff diving and

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he had a a life preserver on and when he

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was cliff diving he was trying to swim

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deep down as far as he could go with the

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light preserver on and then float to the

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top right that's it that that's his and

364
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he says so he's doing that he does the

365
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cliff dive he's diving down he said

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right out of the black boom this shark

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just comes out of nowhere grabs him and

368
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pulls him down and then the next thing

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he knew he was on the surface of the

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water it bit him

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and let him go it didn't eat him

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you know what I mean it didn't like bite

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through him it bit him and then let him

374
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go exactly what you're saying here and

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uh they medevaced him out helicopter the

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whole thing you know sewed him back up

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but it was a horrendously big big sure

378
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big mouth that that bit him but

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um let him go bit him and let him go

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did they say what species it was no no

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and he had a light preserver on you said

382
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yeah yeah that may have also contributed

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to saving his life because that would

384
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have borne some of the brunt of the you

385
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know the blow puncture reduce some of

386
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the puncturing of the teeth which they

387
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rely on that extreme sharpness and also

388
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probably didn't taste very palatable as

389
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well yeah so in a PE class right later

390
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every time I would look at we you know

391
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playing soccer and I would just look at

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that and just imagine the size of the

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shark it it wasn't small you know this

394
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was this was something pretty big but it

395
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let them go well there's a there's

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formulas out there if I can get the

397
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measurements of the bite for you from

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you I can figure out how approximately

399
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how big the shark was and um hi Jamie

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c49 nice to meet you

401
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sorry the NEC 49 oh yeah yeah I don't I

402
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don't watch the chat

403
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I thought somebody just walked in your

404
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house no no I used to have do the the

405
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host myself so and all that so out of

406
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reflex I I tend to say hi to people when

407
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they say hi absolutely everybody say

408
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hello to Max so he can run down a

409
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thousand people real quick just

410
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everybody just go really is holy crap

411
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um now

412
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um

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earlier this week

414
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um in fact it was yesterday uh there was

415
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a press release about you may have seen

416
00:18:06,529 --> 00:18:02,039
it the Titanic they have spotted a

417
00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:06,539
Megalodon necklace a tooth necklace

418
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um inside of the Titanic in the uh

419
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published the pictures of it it's a gold

420
00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:13,799
necklace the giant tooth it's it's

421
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pretty nuts

422
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um I actually left that down there

423
00:18:22,930 --> 00:18:21,200
myself when I was diving the last time

424
00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:22,940
how

425
00:18:32,409 --> 00:18:26,580
when I I have seen and then last holding

426
00:18:37,730 --> 00:18:34,909
some of these teeth and you can buy them

427
00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:37,740
right and and some of them are what are

428
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,980
we talking about and Sally is uh in

429
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terms of I missed hi Scott hi lever

430
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you're a high cup High dystopian High's

431
00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:47,039
ends uh Bill uh what are we talking

432
00:18:53,409 --> 00:18:50,280
about in terms of what uh uh you know

433
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:53,419
you see these teeth uh you know for sale

434
00:18:59,930 --> 00:18:57,600
and and and in museums what are you

435
00:19:01,850 --> 00:18:59,940
talking about in terms of feet and tons

436
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,860
when we're talking about a Megalodon

437
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:03,840
okay so you want to know like how big

438
00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:06,900
the shark got yes you know if I had

439
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,820
known this as video because my fossil

440
00:19:12,830 --> 00:19:10,799
display case is literally 10 feet to my

441
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,840
right over here I would have brought out

442
00:19:16,130 --> 00:19:14,160
some real teeth to show you and

443
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:16,140
everything but you know I didn't know

444
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:17,520
until the last second I thought it was

445
00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:18,960
just radio

446
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,460
um if you want I'll go grab one though

447
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,039
yeah go grab one it's okay if I go off

448
00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:24,799
camera for a few years

449
00:19:30,110 --> 00:19:28,020
while Max is off camera uh

450
00:19:33,169 --> 00:19:30,120
everybody I'm going to say hello to

451
00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:33,179
everybody uh hello Betty hello hi Phil

452
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hello Monica

453
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:39,480
um when when I saw everybody if you

454
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:40,559
haven't

455
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:44,880
um Bill put up in the chat uh the link

456
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somebody go and grab that the Titanic

457
00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:50,640
Megalodon necklace uh the press release

458
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,860
went out yesterday they posted uh the

459
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pictures I think they've got uh some

460
00:20:01,610 --> 00:19:59,220
video of it uh too as well that is a

461
00:20:04,850 --> 00:20:01,620
ginormous tooth

462
00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:04,860
um and then if you remember uh last year

463
00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:08,280
on Fade to Black uh I did the story

464
00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:09,960
about

465
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um a family and the Sun

466
00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:16,080
father and son on the beach uh finding

467
00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:18,900
one of the largest Megalodon teeth uh

468
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:22,380
ever and that was just on a beach and

469
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they thought it was a piece of wood

470
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um so yeah I'm totally fascinated with

471
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:31,260
this now let's see what uh what Max is

472
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:35,280
about to show us let's see so you bought

473
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HBO Max and renamed it to your nickname

474
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oh that's uh yeah that's that's pretty

475
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good

476
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um

477
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and also

478
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I'm gonna bump

479
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let's see well first off

480
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here's a nice

481
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I'm gonna go with that is probably a you

482
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R1 upper right one or two

483
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um this is a nice

484
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six inch tooth and it's actually White

485
00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:16,440
wow a lot of people like say so they're

486
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like oh my God that's recently deposited

487
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and stuff like that so you got this bad

488
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boy okay and then we got

489
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this

490
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uh

491
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L wait four

492
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upper left number four

493
00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:48,059
you got to get the uh front side see

494
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this is the back of the tooth the the

495
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rounded part okay see

496
00:21:58,909 --> 00:21:55,320
you got your lingual side and your

497
00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:58,919
labial side so the outer side

498
00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:01,380
should be the labial side is the part

499
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that actually would be shown when the

500
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shark opened its mouth

501
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um yeah right right right right and then

502
00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:10,020
you got this Feast which unfortunately

503
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,600
is missing some of it's rude okay but

504
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the even so I mean this came from a

505
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monstrous tooth I mean look at the mass

506
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,179
on that thing

507
00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:19,980
you fat that bad boy is yeah yeah yeah

508
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:23,340
yeah and then I even got a two from uh

509
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close relative of

510
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the Megalodon which is uh the fish it

511
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actually descended from directly and

512
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this is a nice

513
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4.8 inch totus chub utensis which

514
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:38,580
actually looks remarkably like a white

515
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:40,260
shark tooth though it's definitely a

516
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,620
shape see so these fish just got to be a

517
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fish got to be about 40 feet long uh the

518
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uh the chub utensis they shared the Seas

519
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for many millions of years

520
00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:51,600
and it's like what's called Chrono

521
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species okay changed his form over time

522
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,880
and then eventually they split off into

523
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different populations

524
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and trombutantis remained as it was and

525
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,700
the megalon got bigger and it changed

526
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:04,320
its feeding tactics and got bigger

527
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,940
bigger bigger and then chubby tends to

528
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,860
either blend it in or disappeared when

529
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,880
extinct and then there was just

530
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:10,320
Megalodon and then eventually it died

531
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off but anyways

532
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:16,860
why uh okay is is there evidence uh

533
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,260
today of the possibility of Megalodon

534
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,440
surviving and and has yet to be

535
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:31,130
um well I mean I have if we're talking

536
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:32,520
about like all the stuff I did for

537
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:34,740
Monsters Marine Mysteries all those mega

538
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,120
sharks and stuff like that I mean we can

539
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:38,520
discuss that and whether or not that was

540
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,620
megalodon or something else is that what

541
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:43,200
you mean well certainly that's exactly

542
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:46,140
what I mean I mean

543
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,700
uh okay the biggest aside from the whale

544
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:52,380
shark and things but when we were

545
00:23:57,649 --> 00:23:54,539
talking about carnivorous

546
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:57,659
sharks we think of the great white uh

547
00:24:01,370 --> 00:24:00,059
for the for obvious reasons and it's

548
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:01,380
very big

549
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,960
but when we're talking about carnivorous

550
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:05,940
giant sharks we're not talking about a

551
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:08,340
bigger version of the great white we're

552
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:09,780
talking about a different species

553
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:10,860
altogether

554
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:13,500
yes that is true although they all are

555
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,500
or slash we're both mackerel sharks

556
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:18,179
um okay so let's see how we're gonna do

557
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,039
this okay so first off

558
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,260
um a couple years ago I did a book

559
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:25,140
called monsters and Marine Mysteries

560
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:26,460
um which if people were interested in

561
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,280
Cryptids giant prehistoric life and the

562
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,679
oceans and what's really made me out

563
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:34,320
there now then I I recommend the book I

564
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,600
mean there's evidence of octopi and

565
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:39,000
Squid big enough to eat whales literally

566
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,299
eat whales I did a whole chapter on mega

567
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:45,120
sharks which I got into in detail

568
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,740
um and a lot of other stuff I mean some

569
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,480
crazy things I interviewed people that

570
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:50,880
nobody knows they're still alive one guy

571
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,460
who saw 38-foot Turtle another guy that

572
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,440
was actually attacked in 1976 that when

573
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,600
he was a teenager by the South Side sea

574
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:58,799
monster that tried to eat him in his

575
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,500
dad's boat all sorts of stuff but in in

576
00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:03,600
Monsters Marine mystery users chapter

577
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:06,299
one and Max advised us on self-defense

578
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,059
when faced with a shark well the best

579
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,840
tactic is to not be there number one

580
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,280
we're probably in a cage but if you're

581
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:16,559
faced with a shark uh the first thing I

582
00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:19,080
would do is I would not panic and I mean

583
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:20,340
that's a complicated question though

584
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:22,440
where are you are you underwater are you

585
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,299
swimming are you scuba diving are you

586
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:26,100
swimming on the surface are you

587
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,840
snorkeling are you on a surfboard a

588
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,520
bodyboard I mean you know it's there's a

589
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:31,440
it's a million things but I would not

590
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,900
panic because thrashing is going to come

591
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:36,240
off as a distress that you know kind of

592
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:38,460
like stimuli Etc

593
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:40,020
um I wouldn't turn my back on a shark

594
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:42,360
that's for sure some sharks like tiger

595
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:44,220
sharks if they try and bite you you can

596
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:46,260
actually redirect them like push them

597
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,360
slowly away even if you float one way

598
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:49,679
and they float the other you can avoid

599
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:52,260
being bitten so it varies from species

600
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,880
to species there's a lot of info out

601
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,159
there about that but anyway so

602
00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:58,559
in Monsters Marine Mysteries

603
00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:00,900
um I covered a bunch of different sharks

604
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:02,520
evidence of sharks that were

605
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,000
considerably larger than normal

606
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:08,159
um the one in the video would you want

607
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:09,779
to talk about the video documentary that

608
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:11,480
we just did

609
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:14,100
we'll we'll get to that in a second I

610
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:16,919
mean what I what I would I I want you to

611
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:19,980
continue because when we talk about uh

612
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,039
using words like uh or definitions like

613
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,039
mega sharks

614
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:27,360
for the audience they need to understand

615
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,360
really what we're talking about here and

616
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,580
not necessarily what comes to mind

617
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,860
immediately which is like a tiger shark

618
00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:37,500
or a or a great white shark that we're

619
00:26:40,570 --> 00:26:39,059
talking about something completely

620
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:40,580
different

621
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,340
I'm sorry yeah so like the definition of

622
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:47,039
a a mega shark is

623
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:50,100
a preternaturally large shark it may be

624
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,900
a very large large version of an

625
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,820
existing species that's for some reason

626
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:55,679
bigger than it's supposed to be it might

627
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:56,820
be something we don't know about it

628
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:58,260
could be something it's extinct and

629
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,360
nobody sent it an email to tell it that

630
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:02,880
it was extinct I mean it varies but it's

631
00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:04,679
something big just like the word Mega

632
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:06,360
implies

633
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:08,940
um so in Monsters Marine Mysteries there

634
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,640
were gosh four or five different sharks

635
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,799
that we looked into

636
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:15,600
um the smallest one

637
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,380
was and I I christened these shorts with

638
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:21,360
names to the book was a fish called the

639
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,360
beasts of Briar Island and this was

640
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:27,600
documented by a couple friends of mine

641
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:30,360
um which would be the tutors

642
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:32,520
um Jess Tudor and his wife Amy who

643
00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:34,740
actually work and live on Briar Island

644
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,539
and they do

645
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,059
um they were for real whale research you

646
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,279
know they do tours for whales Etc and

647
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:43,500
such they have a sea salt company but

648
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:45,960
they um suggested documented this

649
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:50,400
carcass of a 52 foot humpback whale that

650
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,360
had died and he was measuring bites on

651
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,480
it and he found a pair of bites that

652
00:28:02,990 --> 00:27:59,640
were 27 inches wide

653
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:03,000
and one was 31 inches tall and the other

654
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:04,559
one which is right next to it was 37

655
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:07,860
inches tall 36 or 37 I think 37.

656
00:28:10,669 --> 00:28:09,179
um and that's because the shark open

657
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,679
it's about wider

658
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,840
you know to try and get a bite okay but

659
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,400
they were the same with the same fish it

660
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:17,220
was obvious and like your friend you

661
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:18,360
were talking about who had that bite

662
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:21,779
scar on him it probably wasn't 27 inches

663
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,880
wide because if you take your hand and

664
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:26,159
measure out 27 inches that would

665
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:28,919
probably go from his hip to his shoulder

666
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,039
or something like that okay but that

667
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:34,320
suggested a white shark feeding on the

668
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:36,360
carcass that was a little over 26 feet

669
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:37,320
long

670
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,720
so now that was the small end of the

671
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:41,520
scale and that's already a fish it's

672
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,179
bigger than Bruce from Jaws okay 25

673
00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:47,520
three tons of them you know that kind of

674
00:28:56,590 --> 00:28:53,720
thing okay black guys like a doll's eyes

675
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,600
until he bites you

676
00:29:04,130 --> 00:28:59,600
still the best scene in cinema history

677
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,140
absolutely the USS Indianapolis okay

678
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:06,000
um uh back to the whale and the bite

679
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:08,820
sizes so that was the small end of it

680
00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:10,679
then there was I'm going to try and work

681
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,600
my way up the size

682
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,520
line okay

683
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,760
um then there was gosh another one okay

684
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,919
so in

685
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,140
Kurt Jenner from the center for whale

686
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,480
research in Australia he and this was in

687
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:27,000
a Discovery Channel special that they

688
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,880
it um he had photographed a 69

689
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,679
approximately for pygmy blue whale

690
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:33,480
picture a 70-foot whale is called a

691
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:37,500
pygmy that had this huge healed bite

692
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:39,899
scar on the top of its peduncle that's

693
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,580
the right the tail right in front of the

694
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,200
flukes okay

695
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,299
and it had like you know gouges on it

696
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:46,320
and stuff that were healed so you could

697
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,419
see that it was a shark bite and he was

698
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:50,159
kind enough to send me some great HD

699
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:52,140
full color images and stuff so I could

700
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:55,020
use do research on it for Monsters and

701
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,140
Mysteries and I was able to number

702
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,600
Crunch and all that and eventually I

703
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:02,820
figured out the white the heel bite was

704
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,240
estimated at 39 to 47 inches that's they

705
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,679
photographed from a distance so they had

706
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:10,080
to you know count pixels

707
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:12,059
to estimate the bite

708
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,620
um and that could have suggested in a

709
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,899
very very big shark especially since it

710
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,520
looked like the only the front of the

711
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,480
jaw

712
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,120
had crunched into the whale but what it

713
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,520
turned out is this was an older bite and

714
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:26,640
it hadn't grown per se you know they say

715
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:28,140
a lot of people think oh it was bitten

716
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:30,059
when it was younger and the bike grew

717
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,059
right it doesn't work like that okay you

718
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:35,279
know if you have a bite on you it

719
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:37,320
doesn't magically symmetrically and

720
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:40,380
large and the tooth marks enlarge like

721
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:42,299
it's a copy machine and you hit plus 50

722
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:43,860
plus 80

723
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:46,020
Etc it doesn't work like that just like

724
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:47,100
what a whale shark when a whale shark

725
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:50,220
gets bitten by a larger shark the wound

726
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:52,679
fills in it heals like it's it's

727
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,020
literally filling up and within like a

728
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:56,640
year or two years it's almost gone or

729
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,820
unrecognizable anymore see so people you

730
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,159
know get this like oh it was bitten when

731
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,200
it was small and they just miss it

732
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,240
that's not how it works okay people go

733
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,159
on my website and you look up an article

734
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,559
a blog post I did about whale sharks and

735
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,760
great whites and how the whale shark

736
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:14,100
survives attacks by white sharks and

737
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,960
you'll see right there you know

738
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:17,640
photographic evidence of how these

739
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,140
sharks healed so anyway back to the

740
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:21,840
pygmy blue whale So what had happened is

741
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,960
is like picture this is the the part of

742
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:26,399
the whale's tail and the flukes are over

743
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:29,820
here okay so the bite's right here like

744
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:32,279
that like like this okay but it was kind

745
00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,260
of shallow and I realized what had

746
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:36,539
happened is this whale is constantly

747
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,539
moving its tail you know that's how it

748
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,880
swims it's just like you walking if you

749
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:43,500
put on one of those fitbits and you know

750
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:45,779
seven thousand steps in a day same thing

751
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,399
with the whale's tail that's its

752
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,919
Locomotion okay so the bite didn't

753
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:51,840
change in terms of depth it stayed the

754
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:54,419
same depth but it gradually flattened

755
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,559
out

756
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:57,960
see as the whale grew around it and that

757
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,299
motion so it became like a more shallow

758
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:02,880
looking bite so in reality when I

759
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:05,399
crunched the numbers at least this is my

760
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,340
considered opinion the shark bite was 27

761
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:10,980
to 33 inches across when it was

762
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,179
originally attacked when it was a

763
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,640
younger whale and that still suggests a

764
00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:17,100
white shark between 26 and 30 feet of

765
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:17,960
length

766
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,539
yeah that's nothing small okay I mean

767
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:23,520
not at all okay so that one I was

768
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:25,380
calling the Perth Canyon Colossus I try

769
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,179
to come up with these cool names you

770
00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:29,159
know like the Beast of Briar Island

771
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:32,279
Perth Canyon Colossus and stuff but the

772
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:33,960
biggest one in the book

773
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:36,600
was insane and this these pictures this

774
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:40,559
was from 2017 and was courtesy of Dr

775
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:43,320
Simon Pierce and this guy is one of the

776
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:44,760
greatest marine biologists in the world

777
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,700
this man swims with whale sharks the

778
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:50,220
size of a bus pregnant ones and gives

779
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:53,520
them sonograms okay he is living the

780
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,299
life

781
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:57,059
honestly I'm like hashtag jealous love

782
00:33:02,870 --> 00:32:59,520
them whatever okay but he's my go-to guy

783
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:02,880
so he photographed this 40-foot whale

784
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:06,360
shark off the Galapagos and it had a

785
00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:10,320
fairly recently healed shark bite a

786
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:12,179
chunk taken out of it and if you guys

787
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:14,279
want to see it the black and white one

788
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:16,019
isn't version is in Monsters Marine

789
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,059
Mysteries but if you go on my YouTube

790
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,360
channel which is at real max Hawthorne

791
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,179
you can find it by Google and everything

792
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:25,919
um there is an actual documentary we'll

793
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,659
be talking about momentarily and in that

794
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:30,120
there are color photos of Simon Pierce

795
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:32,100
swimming with this whale shark with a

796
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:35,880
four foot bite taken out of it 48 inches

797
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:40,980
across with tooth marks on it okay and

798
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:43,620
that using the most conservative bite

799
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:45,960
formula out there suggested a strike

800
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,539
approximately 42 feet in length so

801
00:33:53,649 --> 00:33:50,460
you're talking about a bust size

802
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,169
I have a I'm looking at the yardstick

803
00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:59,820
right that's leaning against my wall

804
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:02,340
that's three feet right you're saying

805
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:05,820
four feet right yeah yep

806
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:08,700
if you stretch your hands out like you

807
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:11,220
know so wide okay you can estimate four

808
00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:14,099
feet wide I mean it's gigantic and you

809
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:15,960
see the divers right next to the plate

810
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:18,780
so I mean it's like for scale okay it

811
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,020
was crazy and you know I mean like how

812
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,760
did the shark not finish the whale shark

813
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:25,619
off and so I mean there's such slow

814
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:28,740
innocuous creatures and all that and I

815
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,179
mean I have a theory on that and it's in

816
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:31,440
the book and all that but you know at

817
00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:32,460
the end of the day the whale shark

818
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,859
escaped and you know its attacker got a

819
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:36,359
mouthful of uh

820
00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:38,700
tough skin it probably didn't enjoy and

821
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:45,349
four okay so we're talking about

822
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,020
something that is uh mega mega is not

823
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,599
even the right word we need a a new word

824
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:54,720
monster yeah

825
00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:01,550
four four feet wide

826
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:02,580
um

827
00:35:09,550 --> 00:35:05,400
that thing is still alive

828
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,560
and probably has brothers and sisters

829
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:12,660
right this isn't uh this isn't

830
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:16,320
prehistoric uh something that has a four

831
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:21,180
foot bite mark that could be 40 50 foot

832
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,540
long a shark is is alive in swimming

833
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,680
right now

834
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,839
appears it's it's quite conceivable yes

835
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:29,700
I believe they were doing actually a

836
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:32,040
formal paper on this

837
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:34,140
um so I don't know what stage that's in

838
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:35,339
or anything like that but I'll be

839
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,140
curious to see what the professionals

840
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:40,560
put out in terms of that but um and do

841
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:42,119
you want to talk about the documentary

842
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:44,420
that we yeah well

843
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,880
absolutely absolutely and and we'll do

844
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:50,720
that right now but

845
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:54,480
wait there's more those teeth that you

846
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,820
just held up from Megalodon right and

847
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,440
and you're talking about the size of

848
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,680
Megalodon but the the the the four foot

849
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,920
bite mark

850
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:06,480
are those are we talking about teeth

851
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:07,700
probably

852
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,040
about this size yeah right right that's

853
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,160
insane yeah I mean I discussed the only

854
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,520
you know it was either well I I have a

855
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:19,200
pretty good idea what did the attack and

856
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:20,220
we'll talk about that when we talk about

857
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,440
the documentary but it was like I said

858
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,940
there are

859
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:26,160
elasma branchologist that means

860
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,440
scientists who study sharks Rays things

861
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:30,359
like that cartilage in his fish and

862
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,280
there are elasma branchologist formulas

863
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:34,560
out there where you can use those to

864
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,079
plug in numbers and estimate the length

865
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:40,140
of a shark based on the bite width

866
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,359
and I've used these a lot when I did the

867
00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:44,700
wrote the book and

868
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:47,579
like I said I use the most conservative

869
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:50,820
one available because some of the

870
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:53,099
findings were ridiculously big I was

871
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:54,200
like that's

872
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:59,579
okay but still a 42 foot fish is is an

873
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:01,740
insanely large fish and the one that's

874
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:03,660
in the documentary wasn't quite that big

875
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,940
but it was pretty freaking big so I mean

876
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:09,119
and we got some hard evidence of that

877
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:13,140
okay we've got uh links up uh in the

878
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:15,540
chat you probably saw it uh to your

879
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:16,940
YouTube channel

880
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,980
and I am here now and you said the

881
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:22,560
documentary is on the YouTube channel

882
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:24,540
yeah it's the most recent one I've been

883
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,980
slacking I haven't put anything on there

884
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:27,119
in the last four months or something

885
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:29,880
like that right my guy was giving me

886
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:31,320
grief about it you know you haven't done

887
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,730
mega shark or Megalodon yes that's the

888
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:42,839
documentary okay we've got the links up

889
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,760
for it now

890
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:46,079
um

891
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:49,680
it would sound okay what's your best

892
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:52,740
guess here I mean I understand the title

893
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,260
and and and what we're talking about

894
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:58,320
tonight but when we're we're talking

895
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:02,480
about a measurement of of uh four feet

896
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,480
I I I I'm going Megalodon I I I I I am I

897
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:11,160
wrong with thinking like that that it's

898
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,560
possible for something that is supposed

899
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:15,480
to have been extinct for 10 million

900
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:18,119
years to to have survived

901
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,940
well the problem with the Megalodon

902
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:23,760
thing I mean you're you're do you want

903
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,859
we want to discuss the documentary the

904
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:27,839
shark bites in there first because

905
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:30,660
you're all kind of interrelated sure or

906
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,839
Okay so let's talk about Mega Shark or

907
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:36,000
Megalodon the documentary

908
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:36,720
um

909
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:40,500
this came about because uh my my buddies

910
00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:42,060
the tutors the same couple I told you

911
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,900
about Jess and Amy I'm from Briar Island

912
00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:47,280
uh they reach out to me when they find

913
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,839
interesting stuff because you know we

914
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,060
have a shared passion for this and so

915
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,280
just was like Max I got a video I got a

916
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,720
whale carcass here what do you think

917
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,820
blah blah blah it's got shark bites all

918
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:58,560
over it all this stuff so you sent me

919
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,119
the video and he's like panning along

920
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,160
the carcass and the carcass is pretty

921
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:04,079
nasty at this point it's been beached

922
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:05,700
for a couple days whatever and stuff

923
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:07,560
like that and he was under the

924
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,040
impression that the the whale which is a

925
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,920
30-foot humpback so a sub adult humpback

926
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,380
um this is just this past July just so

927
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:18,720
we're clear on that okay so 10 months

928
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,339
ago 11 months ago something like that

929
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,500
and um

930
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:24,960
have been killed by a ship strike

931
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:27,240
and he wasn't wrong it had certainly

932
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:28,859
been badly wounded by a ship strike

933
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:29,880
because and you'll see in the

934
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:32,940
documentary there are uh there's prop

935
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,820
wounds or prop massive prop wounds on I

936
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:37,560
believe it's the right shoulder

937
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:40,880
but it was like shredded like

938
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:43,380
badly hurt the whale I didn't kill it

939
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:45,420
but it would have been a bloody mess and

940
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,220
and you know it would have drawn

941
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:49,200
Predators from all over obviously and

942
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,220
stuff

943
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:51,839
um so and this is all covered in the

944
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:56,520
documentary but um the

945
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,880
as he was the video was moving you know

946
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,160
towards the codal region that means I'm

947
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:05,280
sorry towards the tail okay I was like

948
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,839
whoa whoa stop the camera right there

949
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:09,119
what do we look what stop let's go back

950
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:12,900
you know an air was this enormous bite

951
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:14,760
on the near the Tail

952
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:15,900
of the whale

953
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:17,700
now we talked about like you know white

954
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:19,020
sharks they come up and they take a

955
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,579
Munch and you know whatever and then

956
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,140
they wait for you to die

957
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,000
Etc well that's what they do they like

958
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:25,440
to hit you in the haunch in the rear

959
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:27,060
this type of stuff like if you're a

960
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,140
white shark and you're attacking an

961
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:30,180
elephant seal as big as you you don't

962
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,220
want to get bit by that thing you could

963
00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:34,560
be killed even you know or badly wounded

964
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,380
so they bite them in the tail region

965
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,119
inflict damage like you're you know what

966
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,520
happened to your friend okay so there

967
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:42,960
was this looked like a giant bite there

968
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,520
and I was I was looking at the video I

969
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,980
could even see two notches and and there

970
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:49,440
was no doubt it was a bite okay so I

971
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,000
asked Jess um because he'd already

972
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,160
filmed this to go back to the carcass

973
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:56,280
and get me measurements of the bite you

974
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,900
know I'm not in Briar Island I'm here in

975
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,540
Pennsylvania and whatnot but um

976
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,640
so he went back like a day or two later

977
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,040
but the tide kept moving the carcass and

978
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:07,380
it shifted so he measured this section

979
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:09,540
and it's in the video

980
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:12,420
um that was like 54 inches wide

981
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:15,060
and I I was using this for his well

982
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:16,079
putting all this stuff together all

983
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,060
photos and videos and all this stuff in

984
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:20,400
the documentary and it just it didn't

985
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,200
look like the the bite that I had seen

986
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,960
before you know it was off and it turned

987
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:26,400
out the carcass had shifted with the

988
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:28,500
tide and so the coda white was more

989
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,460
covered

990
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,040
and this was actually like four or five

991
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:34,800
bites combined from a big white shark

992
00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:36,359
that have been feeding in the same

993
00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:39,300
section so this was a quote small white

994
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:42,980
shark by 20 feet long so small okay

995
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,240
when you see the video you understand

996
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:48,480
why I say small okay and I was like so

997
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:49,740
how you know and then we didn't have any

998
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:51,240
like the carcass was disassembled at

999
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:52,980
this point and the skeleton and whatever

1000
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:54,300
all the stuff so there was no more

1001
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,619
evidence and I'm like well how are we

1002
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:57,540
going to measure this thing but luckily

1003
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,540
Jess at one point had taken his Boot and

1004
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,760
he had while he was taping he had stuck

1005
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,800
it inside a bite

1006
00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:06,960
that was right in the same region you

1007
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,000
know for comparison and I was able to

1008
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,040
get an exact measurement of his Boot and

1009
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:13,380
then map that out to the codal bite Etc

1010
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:16,680
so we discovered that the the bite by

1011
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:20,040
the tail was at least 36 inches across

1012
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:24,560
okay which it's pretty big I mean

1013
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:27,900
I've seen it in the documentary

1014
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:32,630
you're talking about the the photograph

1015
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:35,640
that's in the video was showing the tail

1016
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:40,740
from the side and a video tone yeah

1017
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,020
um uh no I'm saying

1018
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,140
okay misunderstanding but is that you in

1019
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,020
that shot no that's Jess that's Jess

1020
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:51,359
okay yeah because you can see the size

1021
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:53,640
of the bite right there because he's

1022
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:56,040
standing right there and it's it's like

1023
00:43:01,609 --> 00:43:00,000
this yes it's gigantic and his wife had

1024
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,619
taken pictures of the cargo soon it was

1025
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,960
at Sea and it was fresh and as I looked

1026
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,520
through all those God bless her she got

1027
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:07,740
some it's so rare to get pictures of one

1028
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,300
of these carcasses before that starts to

1029
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,760
turn the jello and nasty jello with that

1030
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:13,800
and she got one there's one shot where

1031
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,540
you can see there's another huge fight

1032
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:18,480
right near where the problem was the

1033
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:20,040
fish must have been attracted to the

1034
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:22,380
wound and was chewing on that part too

1035
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:24,420
and it's as big as the bite in the back

1036
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:26,579
so we had two giant bites you know we

1037
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,780
all see the other side of the shark

1038
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:30,480
unfortunately but two bites at least

1039
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:33,480
from the same monstrous fish I mean a 32

1040
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:34,859
foot white shark would weigh about eight

1041
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,500
tons just to give you an idea so it's an

1042
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,560
enormous enormous animal in that and and

1043
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:44,160
the shot um so that's Jess's boot I

1044
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,960
remember that too as well where he

1045
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:48,480
flashes his boot up next to the uh the

1046
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:55,010
and then next to it is another bite mark

1047
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:58,200
that is is right there and that's got to

1048
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,040
be

1049
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:02,400
I mean that's multiple feet wide I mean

1050
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,619
it depends on I don't have the video in

1051
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:07,140
front of me but the the one the group of

1052
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:09,060
bytes I told you about maybe the group

1053
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,099
that's right under his foot right where

1054
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,200
there was like four bites together right

1055
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:15,480
and those are still big bites they're

1056
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,880
like 25 inches wide or something like

1057
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:20,160
that they look like those look like

1058
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:22,380
nibbles those reminded me of nibbles

1059
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:25,319
like well compared to that one yeah I

1060
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,940
mean yeah

1061
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:29,160
and it's still huge they're they're

1062
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,800
they're they're they're big yeah and you

1063
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:34,500
see the size of this whale knowing that

1064
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,800
uh you know the the circumference of

1065
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,079
circumference that's the wrong the width

1066
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:42,960
let's go with width of that one giant

1067
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,480
bite mark uh next to the the three or

1068
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:48,240
four nibbles I think it's huge it's huge

1069
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:51,240
this is why I could swallow a person the

1070
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:52,980
size pretty much of the shark from Jaws

1071
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:55,260
three which did swallow somebody whole

1072
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:57,960
in fact if I recall correctly I didn't

1073
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:01,020
see jaws 3. yeah no when they had me

1074
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:03,000
down at uh years back they invited me

1075
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:05,579
down to SeaWorld in Orlando for a behind

1076
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:07,500
the scenes tour and all that they

1077
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:09,420
weren't happy with me uh you know making

1078
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:12,119
fun of the you know their orcas being

1079
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,859
captivity and stuff like that so they

1080
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:15,599
invited me down there and they actually

1081
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:17,160
had they turned out jaw Street had been

1082
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,260
filmed there and they had kept a sign

1083
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,119
about the sharks or whatever and stuff

1084
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,000
you know like uh dangerous sharks where

1085
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:25,920
I forget what it says but it's in the

1086
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:27,000
movie it's still hanging on the wall

1087
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:28,319
there so I have a photo of me with

1088
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:30,599
design and everything from Jaws three it

1089
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:33,780
was pretty funny uh again when I was a

1090
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:36,060
kid uh we had a Hobie Cat right

1091
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:37,440
catamaran

1092
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,920
and we sunk it my dad and I and we had a

1093
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:42,300
friend of ours Eric

1094
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,060
this is down in the Panama Canal on the

1095
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:47,700
other side of the panel it's a too long

1096
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:51,359
of a story anyway so we flipped one of

1097
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:53,460
the pontoons filled with water

1098
00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:57,780
catamaran capsizes so the Mast is

1099
00:46:02,089 --> 00:45:59,700
pointing straight to the ocean floor

1100
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:02,099
it's flipped upside down

1101
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:06,780
and my dad and I and Eric are trying to

1102
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,839
hold on to it and and swim to shore

1103
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:12,300
we're about half mile off off of the

1104
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:14,339
shoreline and there are people lining up

1105
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,200
on the shoreline in front of us watching

1106
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:18,420
what's going on right and kind of way

1107
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,240
anyway and then all of a sudden well

1108
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,520
I get bummed and I was like what was

1109
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:25,520
that all right

1110
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:28,140
there it goes that's never a good thing

1111
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,540
yeah he goes sharks

1112
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:32,880
and he takes out he swims to shore he

1113
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:35,160
leaves me and my dad out there

1114
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:39,000
and and by the time so this is not a

1115
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:39,900
joke

1116
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,200
we get to Shore people swam out we pull

1117
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,240
the boat in it's sitting there on the

1118
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:47,940
shore and I look at myself and I am

1119
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:51,359
scraped from head to toe

1120
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:55,260
like sandpaper I was bleeding just just

1121
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:58,200
these things never I didn't get bit

1122
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,380
but they were just like boom yeah the

1123
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:04,560
skin is like I mean like coarse

1124
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,160
sandpaper yeah I was shredded man I was

1125
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,440
scraped it up but not that still the

1126
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:12,060
stalker did everybody read the sign

1127
00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:15,960
behind Max yes that is on my wall that

1128
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:18,119
was put there Phil for when my nephews

1129
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,079
used to come over when they were little

1130
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:21,119
and and a little Annoying and stuff

1131
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:22,680
there's giant fish on the wall behind me

1132
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:25,859
but Jimmy wants the camera exactly where

1133
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:27,480
it is so I can't pan up to show you the

1134
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,680
fish because I don't know if I could put

1135
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:30,960
it exactly back but it says yeah unruly

1136
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:32,220
children will be used for baits there's

1137
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:33,960
warning above that I'm just gonna move

1138
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,500
it up a little bit there we go see see

1139
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:39,540
there you go see and there's a striped

1140
00:47:43,210 --> 00:47:40,920
bass there too but let me lower that

1141
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,220
back down

1142
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:45,540
all right all right I think that's

1143
00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:48,420
pretty good that's pretty close so yeah

1144
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:51,300
we used to um uh lucky you weren't

1145
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:52,880
attacked by the way

1146
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:55,980
there were shark nets all over you know

1147
00:48:03,530 --> 00:47:59,460
on the beaches and signs and stuff

1148
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,540
um but uh we would see them all the time

1149
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:05,520
um uh yeah you're right though uh didn't

1150
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,000
get bit but I got I was so busy swimming

1151
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:11,760
and I got bumped into so many times that

1152
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:14,339
I just started to ignore it

1153
00:48:18,370 --> 00:48:16,619
um it wasn't until I got to Shore that I

1154
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:18,380
saw I mean it was up and down my legs

1155
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:22,200
that's randomly lucky incredibly lucky I

1156
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,180
mean you were put you were chumming and

1157
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:26,880
you know and thrashing bleeding I mean

1158
00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:29,700
that's like an eat it Joe sign was

1159
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:32,780
hanging on your rear end I know right

1160
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:36,060
oh man okay so uh back to the

1161
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:42,650
the uh I I keep going back to the point

1162
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:45,780
so let's uh kind of pick up where I left

1163
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:50,040
off whatever bit did the the the giant

1164
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:53,220
by that that is something that is alive

1165
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:55,980
this isn't this isn't science fiction

1166
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:58,619
and this isn't you know this was less

1167
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,420
than a year ago 10 months ago or

1168
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:02,819
something like that okay by the way I

1169
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,880
would be remiss if I didn't let you and

1170
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:08,400
your and your audience know

1171
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:09,720
um since they're very nice and I feel

1172
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:11,160
bad if I don't

1173
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,060
um so

1174
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:15,119
in honor of your people and for your

1175
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,079
show

1176
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:19,079
my guys they didn't get it done quite in

1177
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,660
time like I wanted but starting midnight

1178
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,300
tonight Pacific Time right okay so

1179
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:26,460
midnight I think it's your time and for

1180
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:27,780
two days running

1181
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,700
okay so it's going to be all Friday and

1182
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,680
all Saturday Pacific Time ends midnight

1183
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:34,260
Pacific time it's been set up so that my

1184
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:38,339
Novella Cronus Rising Diablo is free the

1185
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:39,780
ebook version for any of your people

1186
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:43,260
that want it on Amazon read it on any

1187
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:45,020
device

1188
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:48,180
just no just click on go for the Kindle

1189
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,380
you can read it on your phone or

1190
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:51,920
anything you want it has been called

1191
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:56,099
gosh uh Jurassic Park meets Pompeii so

1192
00:49:59,710 --> 00:49:57,660
that kind of gives you an idea and this

1193
00:50:03,410 --> 00:49:59,720
is the whole basis of the Cronus Rising

1194
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,420
Series this prehistoric Island Caldera

1195
00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:05,760
off the coast of Cuba filled with all

1196
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,859
sorts of giant Prius organ nasties Etc

1197
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:09,839
but it's on the house for your guys

1198
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:12,599
anybody can get it and I I think they're

1199
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:14,099
gonna like it actually you know what

1200
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:16,560
authors DB put it as one of 2016's top

1201
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,619
10 books so I was able to finagle itself

1202
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:21,900
for two days and two days only anybody

1203
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,460
who wants it just goes on Amazon and

1204
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:26,640
it's theirs okay so you said it's a

1205
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:29,700
volume three no it's Cronus Rising

1206
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:32,280
Diablo the one with the very scary eyes

1207
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:34,859
and the volcano burning behind it or

1208
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:37,260
under it or something surprising I want

1209
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:41,400
to get the right link up right now

1210
00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:43,980
um and uh for oh I see it right here

1211
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:47,880
Chronos Rising Diablo uh Bill do you

1212
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:51,359
have it pop it up in the chat for us if

1213
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:55,079
you could and uh it's Chronos Rising

1214
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,740
Diablo right there got it and uh thank

1215
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,359
you for that that's really really cool

1216
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,599
so for midnight tonight until midnight

1217
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,480
Sunday yeah Pacific time that's that's

1218
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:08,400
per Amazon's terms I have no control

1219
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,200
with that I wanted it to be able to be

1220
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:12,420
live right now but they didn't get it

1221
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:14,339
done in time you know it was like only a

1222
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:15,540
couple hours whatever they were saying

1223
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,980
and stuff like that I was like all right

1224
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,960
whatever but you know for those two days

1225
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:21,599
anybody wants it it's on me God bless

1226
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:24,180
enjoy I hope you like it okay there you

1227
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:25,980
go and thank you for that bill Bill's

1228
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:28,380
got it up I just copied it and got it up

1229
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:29,880
there too thank you for that it's real

1230
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:31,880
cool

1231
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:34,200
things go back to the shark and it being

1232
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:37,140
still out there yeah because they got to

1233
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,339
have family

1234
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,440
right you gotta have brothers and

1235
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,440
sisters I don't know what a shark pot is

1236
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,960
called but

1237
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:47,040
there's there's got to be more that's

1238
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:48,540
not just one

1239
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,240
so so I guess what we're asking is is

1240
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,460
what kind of species of shark do we

1241
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,740
think this was was it megalon was it not

1242
00:52:00,130 --> 00:51:58,140
you know if not what is it are there

1243
00:52:02,569 --> 00:52:00,140
more of them and all that jazz right

1244
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,579
okay so let's start from the beginning

1245
00:52:07,069 --> 00:52:04,440
then so

1246
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,079
um the whale carcass has some short

1247
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:08,880
tooth marks on it you can kind of see

1248
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:11,579
they're pretty triangular

1249
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:13,380
um what was more telling was the wounds

1250
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,380
on the Galapagos Giant and again thank

1251
00:52:20,290 --> 00:52:18,839
you Dr Simon Pierce

1252
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:20,300
um sent me

1253
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:23,220
massive photos I mean like so high

1254
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:25,859
definition I can practically printed up

1255
00:52:30,109 --> 00:52:28,740
the whale shark full size okay and

1256
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:30,119
there's one shot where you can see the

1257
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:32,339
bite up close and you can see these

1258
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:35,460
lashes from the teeth like that and so

1259
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:38,280
the thing is is that they're very

1260
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:39,900
pointy

1261
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:42,420
okay so if I brought out like I have a

1262
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,740
three inch white shark tooth in the

1263
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:45,839
display case and you look at that it's

1264
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:48,839
like a perfect triangle okay if you look

1265
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,720
at the chub utensis tooth it's very

1266
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:54,240
triangular okay now this is a couple of

1267
00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:56,460
teeth off center but still you can see

1268
00:53:02,450 --> 00:52:58,740
how it's shaped there but if I put this

1269
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:02,460
Megalodon tooth beside it you see how

1270
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,240
round It Is by comparison so truth

1271
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:08,160
gouges from this

1272
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:11,400
would be more like like Scoops you know

1273
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:13,140
what I mean like an ice cream scoop sure

1274
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:15,420
and they don't they don't match

1275
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:19,800
unfortunately okay which means that it

1276
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,380
suggests that it's not a Megalodon then

1277
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:24,720
the other problem that we run into if we

1278
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:26,099
were trying to say that the shark is

1279
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:28,200
still alive and we could say oh well the

1280
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:29,940
smaller sharks you know this is not a

1281
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,319
full grown one maybe the teeth are not

1282
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:32,880
as pointy or something like that or

1283
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:35,160
maybe it's positioning it more with the

1284
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:37,260
lower teeth which are more pointy the

1285
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:40,980
problem is is that in order to have a

1286
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:44,700
an animal to maintain itself to not go

1287
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:50,270
hi Audrey you are welcome

1288
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:51,059
um

1289
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:52,619
you need a breeding population of at

1290
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:54,180
least 500 animals

1291
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:59,339
okay 500 adults if there were 540 to 50

1292
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:01,319
foot megalon sharks swimming around out

1293
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:03,720
there pretty sure people will be seeing

1294
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,960
four foot five foot shark fins all over

1295
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,660
the place you know there'd be attacks on

1296
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:10,800
boats

1297
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:15,240
more whale carcasses showing up all this

1298
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:16,920
other stuff like that but we don't get

1299
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,660
any of that we get these occasional

1300
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:20,880
carcasses with these this feeding damage

1301
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:24,079
on and stuff like that and that to me

1302
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,700
means that what I believe is the case

1303
00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:28,740
and this was on Discovery

1304
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:30,359
um I'm not sure if it was the same one

1305
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,099
or not I think it was the same special

1306
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:34,619
that they had it was called uh something

1307
00:54:37,630 --> 00:54:36,359
in the Kill Zone super predator in the

1308
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:37,640
Kill Zone or something like that but uh

1309
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:39,540
is that

1310
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:41,220
marine biologists some of them believe

1311
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,619
that great whites occasionally suffer

1312
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:45,599
from what's called gigantism

1313
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:48,180
and I I documented this in in Monsters

1314
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,980
and mystery so if anybody's out there

1315
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,660
has a chance to get the book I recommend

1316
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,000
the Kindle version it has all the links

1317
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,920
to everything all the scientific

1318
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,960
references Etc so you've been go

1319
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,400
wherever you want much easier than

1320
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,500
trying to hand you know things stuff and

1321
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,640
if you have Kindle unlimited I think you

1322
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,800
can even read it for free but anyway

1323
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,260
um the uh

1324
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,599
they believe that gigantism occasionally

1325
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:11,520
affects white sharks and it doesn't

1326
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:13,140
affect just white sharks or other

1327
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:15,720
species out there that

1328
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:17,940
um it does affect for example there's a

1329
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:19,619
in here we have an animal called the

1330
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,819
American toad

1331
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,040
I have one it's on my Facebook page my

1332
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:24,720
daughter has a it lives outside of her

1333
00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:27,300
house and it's like our pet now okay and

1334
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:28,859
the American toad gets to be maybe four

1335
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:31,020
inches in body length it's a good sized

1336
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:33,540
toad but sometimes they find females

1337
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,220
that are eight inches long

1338
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:37,920
which is ridiculously big and this toad

1339
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:40,800
is suffered from gigantism so sharks

1340
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:43,380
also have indeterminate growth as do

1341
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,660
snakes and things like that I personally

1342
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:48,240
when I was like a I don't know 10 or 11

1343
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,339
I caught a predatory species of beetle

1344
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,599
and it's in the book I remember them the

1345
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:53,520
species right now and normally they only

1346
00:55:56,809 --> 00:55:54,839
get to be like an inch long and I got

1347
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,819
one that was like three inches long I

1348
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:59,040
mean Alive and Kicking get the [\h__\h] out

1349
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:01,260
of me and whatever and stuff okay but uh

1350
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,140
so gigantism is out there so

1351
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,720
if it makes sense I mean the teeth The

1352
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:08,460
Rake marks or the teeth match a great

1353
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,920
white more number one the other thing is

1354
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,260
the bite shape matches a great white

1355
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,359
but most importantly if you have a great

1356
00:56:18,829 --> 00:56:17,400
white that doesn't stop growing it

1357
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:18,839
doesn't slow down and it has this

1358
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:20,280
gigantism thing

1359
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:23,700
it turns into a monster see and unlike

1360
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:26,339
human beings like I'm sure you know like

1361
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,020
about have you ever heard of a man named

1362
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:30,180
Robert Wadlow who is the tallest

1363
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:32,760
documented human being in history he was

1364
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:35,220
like a millimeter shy of nine feet or

1365
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,540
something like that

1366
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,579
but he was suffering from this growth

1367
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:40,079
through you know messed him up and he

1368
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:41,640
had acromegalia and if you walk with a

1369
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,260
cane eventually he was crippled then he

1370
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:46,079
died so our bodies don't respond well to

1371
00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:48,119
being eight or nine feet tall

1372
00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:51,420
but sharks can survive at Large Size we

1373
00:56:56,049 --> 00:56:52,740
know because we know we have 50 foot

1374
00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:58,670
the body weight is supported by the

1375
00:57:06,910 --> 00:57:03,119
water uh humans we get we have to deal

1376
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:06,920
with the thing called gravity right so

1377
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,500
we're always being pulled down and the

1378
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:13,200
the gravity with our blood and

1379
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:16,740
circulation system all of our organs uh

1380
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,020
are completely stressed out when you get

1381
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,359
over that's why we're just six feet tall

1382
00:57:27,370 --> 00:57:24,000
and we're not 10 feet tall gravity is

1383
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:27,380
pulling us down but if you're a shark

1384
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:32,640
and right and if you are a shark and

1385
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,240
technically you never stop growing and

1386
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:38,640
you're not dealing with gravity and and

1387
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,180
you put in uh the giant effect on top of

1388
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:44,520
that we're talking about a a huge huge

1389
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:47,400
fish yes we'll see now indeterminate

1390
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:49,079
growth means that the thing never stops

1391
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,579
growing this is common for fish for

1392
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:53,040
reptiles things like that but normally

1393
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,319
in the wild the they grow to a certain

1394
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:57,720
size and then they continue to grow but

1395
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,420
the growth slows down so instead of

1396
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:02,339
growing a foot a year they might grow

1397
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:04,140
two inches a year or something like that

1398
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,359
you see they keep growing like low long

1399
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,579
the crocodile you know he reaches a

1400
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:09,839
certain size and then he slowed down

1401
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:12,839
okay so the thing is old age eventually

1402
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:14,940
puts a stop to that but if you have

1403
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:17,460
something where it doesn't slow down now

1404
00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:18,660
you get these great whites with

1405
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,819
gigantism and that can explain the Beast

1406
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:23,040
of Briar Island the Galapagos Giant and

1407
00:58:27,049 --> 00:58:24,359
whatever the heck we're going to name is

1408
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:27,059
this prior Island Behemoth there's the

1409
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:29,700
name right there okay this new one but

1410
00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:32,640
and the thing is is though now if we

1411
00:58:37,789 --> 00:58:34,800
wanted a mega shark population out there

1412
00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:37,799
we'd pray for these sharks to be mating

1413
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:40,740
and you know making passing on that Gene

1414
00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:42,839
for gigantism so that they'd be all over

1415
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:44,579
the place and then we'd have 30 40 foot

1416
00:58:49,069 --> 00:58:46,740
great whites you know they wouldn't be

1417
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,079
megalons but they'd be impressive as all

1418
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:52,079
hell okay but the problem is that it's

1419
00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,940
probably like one in a few thousand or

1420
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:55,980
one ten thousand animals they're very

1421
00:59:01,609 --> 00:58:59,280
rare and they don't breed because

1422
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:01,619
like well I don't know if do you know

1423
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:03,960
how like white sharks mate

1424
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:06,200
I I no

1425
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:11,280
it's it's very violent okay so basically

1426
00:59:16,849 --> 00:59:13,980
okay so when a lion mates for example

1427
00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:16,859
the male comes up he grabs the female by

1428
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:19,140
the nape with his teeth and he pulls up

1429
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,260
on her neck like that okay and that

1430
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,180
basically instills a reaction like when

1431
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:26,160
she's a kitten and the mother carries

1432
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:27,900
them by the neck and they go limp are

1433
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:37,430
so that's how the male is able to

1434
00:59:43,609 --> 00:59:39,660
convince the female lioness the Lioness

1435
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:43,619
told still okay so they can procreate so

1436
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,900
they can copulate okay we're gonna be

1437
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,000
very scientific here all right so that's

1438
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:49,920
what happens white sharks do something

1439
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:53,040
similar the male comes up and he grabs

1440
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,099
her by the gills like that and he bites

1441
01:00:00,349 --> 00:59:58,319
but it's not a soft bite this ain't a

1442
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,359
gentle bite yeah I mean you just look it

1443
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:02,160
up you'll see wounds where the gills are

1444
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,900
exposed and these it looks like it

1445
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,960
should be dead okay and that but they do

1446
01:00:10,970 --> 01:00:09,180
regenerate and within a year that wound

1447
01:00:13,309 --> 01:00:10,980
is completely gone apparently a little

1448
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,319
few scars or whatever stuff but so his

1449
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,180
job is he bites her on the neck and he

1450
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:18,780
pins her down to the seabed okay and uh

1451
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:21,680
you know does his thing

1452
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:24,180
yeah okay and then you have little

1453
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,480
sharks okay so and the males tend to be

1454
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:29,040
a little smaller than the female so if

1455
01:00:33,170 --> 01:00:30,900
the female is like like um deep blue if

1456
01:00:36,289 --> 01:00:33,180
she's 20 feet long like they say a huge

1457
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:36,299
male might be 17 or 18 feet so there's a

1458
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:37,440
little bit of size difference the female

1459
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:40,140
tends to be larger okay

1460
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:43,079
um so now think about this if you're a

1461
01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:44,220
uh

1462
01:00:49,549 --> 01:00:47,099
an 18-foot male in his prime and you

1463
01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:49,559
approach a 42 foot female

1464
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:51,180
do you think you're gonna grab her by

1465
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:52,680
the neck and wrestle her down to the

1466
01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:53,640
seabed

1467
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:55,799
or are you going to get eaten I've seen

1468
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,740
that movie yeah that's right right right

1469
01:01:02,089 --> 01:01:00,480
yeah I mean seriously that's what's

1470
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:02,099
gonna happen and if it was the opposite

1471
01:01:06,349 --> 01:01:04,740
if it was a 36 foot or a 32 foot male

1472
01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:06,359
and he started approaching a female

1473
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,460
she's going to run for her life

1474
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,319
she doesn't want those jaws crunching

1475
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:12,599
down on her and she'd get eaten see so

1476
01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:14,339
unless you had two of them that were in

1477
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,380
a similar size range the odds of that

1478
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,480
happening on this whole planet and

1479
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,760
millions of cubic miles of ocean you

1480
01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:22,559
know what I mean is very very unlikely

1481
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,780
Could Happen given enough time but I

1482
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:26,280
don't see it happening in my lifetime or

1483
01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:27,119
anything like

1484
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,819
so all right so what you're suggesting

1485
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:31,920
and uh we've got to break to a

1486
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,140
commercial but so what you're suggesting

1487
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:36,960
is the one that did this attack by the

1488
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,180
way uh this was this was in the

1489
01:01:46,089 --> 01:01:41,760
Northeast this is near Maine

1490
01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:46,099
which one uh the the

1491
01:01:52,210 --> 01:01:49,140
documentary yeah prior Island yeah it's

1492
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:52,220
right up there a little past there uh

1493
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:55,980
yeah where they film Jaws so

1494
01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:57,900
um I don't know what it is about that

1495
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:00,599
area but uh you're you're suggesting

1496
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,960
that this may be a one-off shark that

1497
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,220
there isn't

1498
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:07,920
it you know five I think the Bay of

1499
01:02:12,109 --> 01:02:09,960
Fundy seems to be a hot spot for Mega

1500
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:12,119
Sharks because both the Visa Briar

1501
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:14,220
Island and this one for the the evidence

1502
01:02:17,809 --> 01:02:15,720
of them they were feeding in the same

1503
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,819
area so it looks like there's and it's

1504
01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:19,980
not the same animal because it was only

1505
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,440
filmed a year or two earlier a 26 footer

1506
01:02:25,730 --> 01:02:24,660
is not turning into a 32-footer in a

1507
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:25,740
year or two

1508
01:02:30,589 --> 01:02:28,559
understand it's got to be two two big

1509
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,599
big big sharks the same space and yes

1510
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:33,440
the sea floor does Creak especially when

1511
01:02:38,210 --> 01:02:36,359
my fat butt you know it was walking

1512
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:38,220
around on I've heard it Creek it's it's

1513
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:39,359
scary

1514
01:02:44,089 --> 01:02:41,940
how many uh check this out I'm just

1515
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:44,099
gonna pop this up there's somebody that

1516
01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:45,900
just said they're in Maine here's

1517
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:48,780
somebody else I'm in me how many of you

1518
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:51,960
are in Maine and knew about what we are

1519
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,180
talking about tonight our guest tonight

1520
01:03:00,289 --> 01:02:56,640
Max Hawthorne we are talking about mega

1521
01:03:02,089 --> 01:03:00,299
sharks or Megalodon all of that and much

1522
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01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:02,760
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1641
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:06,780
tonight is Max Hawthorne and

1642
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:10,319
um a couple of things uh really quick as

1643
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:13,140
uh we get things started again

1644
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:17,339
um when we are talking about the size is

1645
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,859
of of some of these mega sharks uh Max I

1646
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:25,440
don't think I don't think you know I I I

1647
01:08:33,610 --> 01:08:28,440
don't think we fully understand we talk

1648
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:33,620
about uh the Galapagos giant right 40 to

1649
01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:39,120
42 feet long and that's that's that's a

1650
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:43,020
that's a really big fish and I I I I

1651
01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:45,480
look at it like this and I don't want to

1652
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,120
freak you out but it almost feels like

1653
01:08:54,110 --> 01:08:50,400
we're talking about Bigfoot

1654
01:08:58,090 --> 01:08:54,120
and and there are similarities here

1655
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:00,829
wait wait a minute hold on now I gotta

1656
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:02,940
start taking notes what are you doing to

1657
01:09:08,030 --> 01:09:06,060
me I gotta Circle back to Bigfoot okay

1658
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:08,040
you just you brought it up I'm just

1659
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:10,739
telling you like you know I I have seen

1660
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:13,920
a Bigfoot oh okay hold on hold on hold

1661
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:18,560
on okay baby boy

1662
01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:21,839
so and the reason is

1663
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:26,100
if if we if we've only you know uh

1664
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,400
checked out five percent of our ocean uh

1665
01:09:35,950 --> 01:09:32,400
oceans there's a lot of places for for

1666
01:09:39,470 --> 01:09:35,960
things to live and and Bigfoot

1667
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,480
especially in the Pacific Northwest when

1668
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:41,460
you drive around or fly around there and

1669
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:44,699
you look out the window you know no

1670
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:48,060
human has ever set foot in those forests

1671
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:50,100
right and there's just so much of it

1672
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:52,920
that is unexplored and if you want to

1673
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:55,800
hide you can hide if you want to just

1674
01:10:01,550 --> 01:09:58,620
live your life you can you can do it in

1675
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:01,560
solitude it may be the same thing with

1676
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,870
that is 100 true and Phil that was a

1677
01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:10,080
lake in Connecticut it was actually

1678
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:13,020
swimming and Diving for crayfish

1679
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:14,280
but anyway

1680
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:16,260
um so yeah the uh I mean the the

1681
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:19,080
evidence there's other stuff out there I

1682
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,480
mean uh I had another person approach me

1683
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:24,239
back gosh like a year or two ago and he

1684
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:26,580
had photographed a like an 11 foot white

1685
01:10:30,830 --> 01:10:29,460
shark that he called um seabatch

1686
01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:30,840
and he's a professional on the water

1687
01:10:37,729 --> 01:10:33,739
photographer really nice guy and um

1688
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,739
seabatch had a uh a bite on her scar

1689
01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:40,380
with two grooves healed that's like 30

1690
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,820
inches across

1691
01:10:48,130 --> 01:10:44,159
so again you're talking a monstrous fish

1692
01:10:51,649 --> 01:10:48,140
that one was maybe I don't know uh

1693
01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:51,659
28 feet something like that I I was the

1694
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,880
calculation but that's a now that could

1695
01:10:56,810 --> 01:10:55,679
be one of these other fish

1696
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:56,820
you know that could have been like the

1697
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:58,739
Beast of Briar Island grew a little bit

1698
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,260
you know but still if it's not there's

1699
01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:03,840
another one out there again so I mean

1700
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:05,580
you know I I if you're wondering why I

1701
01:11:09,709 --> 01:11:07,500
keep leaning over here Olaf one of our

1702
01:11:11,050 --> 01:11:09,719
Siberian Forest cats is on my desk right

1703
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:11,060
now

1704
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:12,320
[Music]

1705
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:17,400
a Siberian Forest cat yeah they're from

1706
01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:19,620
Russia they live in the they're a wild

1707
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,080
species in Russia that's been

1708
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:24,000
semi-domesticated and all that and uh

1709
01:11:27,649 --> 01:11:25,440
yeah we have two of them you didn't read

1710
01:11:28,750 --> 01:11:27,659
my bio you know those these guys are

1711
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:28,760
famous

1712
01:11:36,370 --> 01:11:31,679
hold on let's see can you pick her up

1713
01:11:44,890 --> 01:11:39,430
so I get my exercise

1714
01:11:50,890 --> 01:11:44,900
come here baby boy oh gosh okay so this

1715
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:53,470
it was so cute

1716
01:12:02,510 --> 01:11:58,260
so anyway oh what yes

1717
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:02,520
and he sleeps on my desk as I write

1718
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:09,590
it's like uh this is like one of the old

1719
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:11,400
episodes of The Tonight Show with Johnny

1720
01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,900
Carson

1721
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:14,760
he is the greatest they are the greatest

1722
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:17,940
cats in the world this guy is such a

1723
01:12:22,189 --> 01:12:19,980
character let me tell you my wife was

1724
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,199
coming in off the deck yesterday and he

1725
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:24,360
wanted to get outside to go eat a

1726
01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:26,040
squirrel or who knows what you know

1727
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:28,860
Terror that he is and he was like

1728
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,780
sitting upright and like looking like

1729
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:32,400
trying to get around her and she took

1730
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,500
her foot and she pressed her toes gently

1731
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:35,760
against this Jazz and she gave a little

1732
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:37,800
nudge like no like that so what does he

1733
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,080
do he falls down like he's been shot and

1734
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,480
he's like lying there like uh like this

1735
01:12:47,149 --> 01:12:45,600
and everything drama queen okay I mean

1736
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:47,159
like the stuff that they come up with

1737
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:49,560
and do they're like dogs but smarter

1738
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:51,540
they're conniving their characters

1739
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:53,940
they're hilarious I mean like it's great

1740
01:13:00,169 --> 01:12:57,600
honestly it really is it took up the

1741
01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:00,179
entire camera

1742
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:03,320
yeah he's a big boy yeah how many times

1743
01:13:09,169 --> 01:13:05,820
I don't I don't know I saw him the other

1744
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:09,179
day on the scale and it said 25.6 but he

1745
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:11,580
wasn't fully on the scale you know like

1746
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:13,620
he was like one leg was off and I don't

1747
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:15,900
think that was accurate but uh very

1748
01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:18,300
poofy he's got huge feet and Paws I mean

1749
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:21,659
like and you get his teeth are sizable

1750
01:13:26,290 --> 01:13:24,260
too but but he's a big

1751
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:26,300
mushy boy

1752
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:30,120
okay oh man

1753
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:35,760
um uh the how long do or what what's a

1754
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:38,280
typical lifespan

1755
01:13:43,390 --> 01:13:40,980
um I remember there was I did a fader

1756
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,400
fact a couple of years ago I do it every

1757
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:46,020
every night on the show and one of them

1758
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:51,120
there's this uh a piece of uh of

1759
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:54,900
folklore that lobsters are Immortal

1760
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,040
right okay and there's reasons for that

1761
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:01,679
and yes okay so that

1762
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:05,280
um but uh how how uh you kind of hear

1763
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:07,800
the same things about great white sharks

1764
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:10,500
like they they live for do they live for

1765
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:13,199
hundreds of years a hundred years no you

1766
01:14:17,689 --> 01:14:15,420
think that's the uh the Greenland shark

1767
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:17,699
you're thinking of right on that kind of

1768
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,460
like hundreds or even 350 or 500 years I

1769
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,560
forget it's some crazy number

1770
01:14:26,689 --> 01:14:24,480
um white sharks if if memory serves

1771
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:26,699
usually live can live from like

1772
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:29,820
40 or 50 to 70 years something like that

1773
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:32,580
which is still a long time as you know

1774
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,100
as fish go right and to get to uh 42

1775
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:39,840
feet

1776
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:42,780
um again uh I I want to be clear here

1777
01:14:49,490 --> 01:14:46,560
like with the Galapagos giant what

1778
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:49,500
species of shark do you do you think it

1779
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,040
was or is I think it's another mutated

1780
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:56,880
white shark uh great white shark and uh

1781
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,640
so very great a great great white shark

1782
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:01,679
or something like that and yes we do

1783
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:04,260
have cats okay to borrow line a line

1784
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:07,620
from uh you know a famous movie I'm cat

1785
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,800
man okay so no I saw somebody when they

1786
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:12,480
were saying we got cats and yes we do

1787
01:15:17,090 --> 01:15:15,060
only one right now yeah I'm sure Mace

1788
01:15:22,189 --> 01:15:17,100
will be in a little bit too

1789
01:15:25,790 --> 01:15:22,199
um so to get to 42 feet we're talking uh

1790
01:15:27,709 --> 01:15:25,800
you know with 50 60 70 year old shark

1791
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:27,719
it could be or if it's growing super

1792
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:31,260
fast it might only be 30 or 40 years old

1793
01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:33,540
you know I mean anything's possible

1794
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:36,300
right I don't know how gigantism Works

1795
01:15:42,350 --> 01:15:40,500
in fish to be honest you know the um uh

1796
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:42,360
what what is it about the Pacific

1797
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:44,940
Northwest when it comes to these mega

1798
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,420
sharks uh as opposed to say Australia

1799
01:15:53,689 --> 01:15:51,120
where we hear about things or up near

1800
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:53,699
San Francisco you know we'd be here by

1801
01:15:58,669 --> 01:15:56,640
great white sharks uh prior Island ones

1802
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:58,679
are on the Atlantic right actually not

1803
01:16:02,209 --> 01:15:59,940
the Pacific

1804
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:02,219
um those two um Galapagos obviously it's

1805
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:03,719
way out in the Pacific and stuff so I

1806
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:04,920
mean there have been a lot of places

1807
01:16:09,709 --> 01:16:07,140
Australia was one of them you know so

1808
01:16:11,330 --> 01:16:09,719
there's a Cosmopolitan species I mean so

1809
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,340
you're going to have them here there you

1810
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:12,960
know wherever they are

1811
01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:15,480
it's it's such a fascinating subject to

1812
01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:16,860
me and

1813
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:19,020
um would it surprise you

1814
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:22,800
if uh a Megalodon did surface like

1815
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:26,280
Bigfoot or Loch Ness or one of these uh

1816
01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:29,460
Cryptids uh these mythological creatures

1817
01:16:37,729 --> 01:16:34,140
uh would it surprise you to you know

1818
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:37,739
the things I've seen

1819
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:41,820
I mean like uh like nothing surprises me

1820
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:45,120
anymore it's kind of like that uh that

1821
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:46,920
scene from

1822
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,219
and yes I watched the uh

1823
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:52,080
Twilight movies

1824
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,100
okay I I admit it and uh where there's

1825
01:16:59,630 --> 01:16:58,080
one of them where she uh discovers that

1826
01:17:01,790 --> 01:16:59,640
werewolves are real

1827
01:17:03,530 --> 01:17:01,800
and she's writing and sending an email

1828
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:03,540
saying are all the Legends troops she

1829
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:04,920
knew about vampires now they're a

1830
01:17:10,010 --> 01:17:06,239
werewolves you know this type of stuff

1831
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:10,020
so it wouldn't surprise me I mean well I

1832
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:12,600
wouldn't be like like astonished let's

1833
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:14,460
put it that way but I I would be a

1834
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,260
little surprised based on the fact that

1835
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:17,760
nothing there's nothing out there

1836
01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:20,159
suggests that based on the morphology of

1837
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:21,960
the fish the diet of the fish that type

1838
01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:23,100
of stuff

1839
01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:26,040
you know so I mean a white shark that's

1840
01:17:30,350 --> 01:17:28,260
that big is going to be fairly slow

1841
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:30,360
moving it's probably going to be more

1842
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:31,860
cautious it's probably going to learn

1843
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,659
that ships are dangerous things like

1844
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:35,520
that and it won't be lurking on the

1845
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,620
surface as often and stuff like that if

1846
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:39,600
you see the fin you might only see half

1847
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,580
of it you don't see the whole animal or

1848
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:43,440
people think you're a basking shark and

1849
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:44,880
you just you're written off you know

1850
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:46,920
that type of stuff but it's a rare

1851
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:49,020
creature you know and it's more drawn to

1852
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:52,080
carrying meaning dead carcasses easy

1853
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:55,679
meals that type of stuff so but you know

1854
01:17:59,689 --> 01:17:57,840
if this isn't a megavon species was out

1855
01:18:01,810 --> 01:17:59,699
there I'd be happy to fish for them you

1856
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:01,820
know I'll fish for anything

1857
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:05,699
aside from the movie Jaws you know but

1858
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,280
now we have you know Shark Week it's one

1859
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:10,800
of the biggest events in in television

1860
01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:13,320
what what why the fascination with

1861
01:18:16,850 --> 01:18:14,520
sharks

1862
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:16,860
well I think Jaws was responsible for a

1863
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,260
lot of that as you mentioned you know it

1864
01:18:23,209 --> 01:18:21,360
was a huge Blockbuster it was actually

1865
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:23,219
set at the stage for all future summer

1866
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:26,280
Blockbusters and it's a scary thing I

1867
01:18:32,689 --> 01:18:29,159
mean the water is being in the ocean

1868
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:32,699
even in a lake is kind of creepy if you

1869
01:18:37,729 --> 01:18:34,980
look at people I mean

1870
01:18:40,250 --> 01:18:37,739
without our technology we're not really

1871
01:18:42,830 --> 01:18:40,260
the apex predator that we think we are

1872
01:18:45,709 --> 01:18:42,840
you know or small

1873
01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:45,719
we're slow on land or slugs in the water

1874
01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:48,659
we don't have talons we don't have sharp

1875
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:50,280
teeth we don't have the strength of a

1876
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:51,659
chimpanzee

1877
01:18:56,810 --> 01:18:54,540
what do we have honestly other than our

1878
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:56,820
minds and technology so when you're in

1879
01:19:00,050 --> 01:18:58,860
the water if you're in the ocean like

1880
01:19:03,050 --> 01:19:00,060
you know with a light preserver on

1881
01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:03,060
bobbing around you're a

1882
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:05,159
you're a topwater lure

1883
01:19:09,649 --> 01:19:07,860
your bait you know like one of those

1884
01:19:11,689 --> 01:19:09,659
like when you put out a minnow under a

1885
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:11,699
bobber that's you basically and there's

1886
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,080
many things out there the cannon will

1887
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,120
eat you and the scariest part about it

1888
01:19:19,490 --> 01:19:16,800
and the reason why the Coronas Rising a

1889
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,500
series is so successful is that being

1890
01:19:24,290 --> 01:19:21,840
consumed by something whether it's a

1891
01:19:26,990 --> 01:19:24,300
fish or a reptile or something like that

1892
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:27,000
being eaten alive is one of the possibly

1893
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:28,560
the most terrifying thing that could

1894
01:19:31,610 --> 01:19:29,880
happen to someone

1895
01:19:34,189 --> 01:19:31,620
you know that you're going to be ripped

1896
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:34,199
apart chewed up swallowed down and then

1897
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:36,360
it no longer exists because of this

1898
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:39,300
giant predator and in the water you

1899
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,980
can't even see it coming

1900
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:43,440
you know you're on the surface looking

1901
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,760
around remember the poor girl at the

1902
01:19:49,250 --> 01:19:47,520
beginning of Jaws nighttime skinny

1903
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:49,260
dipping all sudden

1904
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:53,280
you know it's terrifying well I told you

1905
01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:56,940
uh with my friend Jeff he said it came

1906
01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:00,360
out of the from from beneath him he

1907
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,060
watched it come out of the black and and

1908
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:05,520
just want to hit him yeah yes yeah yeah

1909
01:20:09,530 --> 01:20:07,500
it was in mid-charge it must have been

1910
01:20:13,610 --> 01:20:09,540
like here's my ticket you know and boom

1911
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:16,870
um what uh

1912
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:21,840
art we picture okay and dude this is

1913
01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:23,400
just like you were just saying with the

1914
01:20:31,070 --> 01:20:27,659
movie Just we picture uh great whites

1915
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:31,080
tiger sharks and other sharks that um uh

1916
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:34,620
are purely Predators they're just out

1917
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:38,400
and looking for us and things that are

1918
01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:42,600
alive and and they get is that is that a

1919
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:46,260
fair classification or are they out

1920
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,020
eating license plates and and garbage on

1921
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,120
the bottom of the ocean

1922
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,280
garage I like the Star Wars reference

1923
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:54,719
that was awesome

1924
01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:57,600
um well it's not like

1925
01:21:01,729 --> 01:20:59,699
sharks are out to get people

1926
01:21:04,010 --> 01:21:01,739
although to be honest with all the shark

1927
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:04,020
Finning that goes on out there and the

1928
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:05,280
millions of sharks that are slaughtered

1929
01:21:09,470 --> 01:21:06,840
every year for their fins I wouldn't

1930
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:09,480
blame them right honestly and as a

1931
01:21:13,070 --> 01:21:10,679
conservationist I'm going to take a

1932
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:13,080
moment and say hey people shark fin soup

1933
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:17,040
does not work for that Viagra Cialis

1934
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:19,980
okay leave the Sharks alone

1935
01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:21,600
but anyway

1936
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:23,400
um I am sure there are instances when a

1937
01:21:27,169 --> 01:21:25,080
shark sees a person flailing in the

1938
01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:27,179
water says oh this is an easy meal and

1939
01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:29,219
it gives in to its instincts I'm sure

1940
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:30,900
that a lot of the attacks on people are

1941
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:32,760
accidental or maybe they're accidental

1942
01:21:36,110 --> 01:21:34,500
and the shark says oh I taste blood this

1943
01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:36,120
might be good to eat and they keep after

1944
01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:38,460
you okay but I don't think it's an

1945
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:40,500
organized type of attack on sighting

1946
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:42,179
because people are in the you know in

1947
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,699
the beaches all the time and such and uh

1948
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:46,080
you know there'd be many many more

1949
01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:49,739
attacks you know but um

1950
01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:52,620
so I digress from the rest of your

1951
01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:54,780
question yeah yeah oh license plates and

1952
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:56,219
stuff like that yeah you're thinking of

1953
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:57,780
tiger sharks and stuff like that will

1954
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:00,300
mouth and eat just about anything

1955
01:22:06,350 --> 01:22:03,960
um but uh you know so I don't know I I I

1956
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:06,360
kind of was all over the place with that

1957
01:22:13,370 --> 01:22:10,800
I'm sorry well I mean like I

1958
01:22:15,649 --> 01:22:13,380
I I'm trying to ease people's minds a

1959
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:15,659
little bit you know

1960
01:22:21,470 --> 01:22:18,960
you know that uh that you know the

1961
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:21,480
habits are the habits just to go out and

1962
01:22:28,370 --> 01:22:25,440
and and and and eat what is easy to eat

1963
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:28,380
you know it's just out there just I I

1964
01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:30,300
don't want to use the word scavenger but

1965
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,380
I kind of am uh as opposed to being this

1966
01:22:38,050 --> 01:22:36,480
you know Predator that is that is

1967
01:22:41,770 --> 01:22:38,060
looking for

1968
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:41,780
humans that are sunbathing

1969
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,480
yeah well I mean there are a lot of

1970
01:22:50,270 --> 01:22:47,040
Juicy delicious people out there I mean

1971
01:22:52,130 --> 01:22:50,280
my God you know except for the silicone

1972
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:52,140
and all the other stuff like that you

1973
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:53,340
know I mean so I don't know some people

1974
01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:55,260
are tastier than others I was at the ear

1975
01:23:00,649 --> 01:22:56,940
doctor today and my doctor he was like

1976
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:00,659
you know you have really nice ears and I

1977
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:05,760
was like uh no no no thank you no I was

1978
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:06,719
like

1979
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:08,340
I'm gonna start walking around now and

1980
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,260
like showing them all like hey baby

1981
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,480
check these out huh what do you think of

1982
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:14,400
that there's another one over there but

1983
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:15,120
anyway

1984
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:15,840
um

1985
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:19,260
so uh I actually had that happen to me

1986
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,020
it was weird I swear I had that happen

1987
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,960
to me I had this ear doctor

1988
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:27,360
um this is years ago I'm a young

1989
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:32,239
strapping lad right and he's he goes hey

1990
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:37,380
you've do you surf and I go what

1991
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:41,040
you've got Surfer ear you surf you work

1992
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:44,280
out I said you know what man uh

1993
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:48,960
gotta go I gotta go I don't even want to

1994
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:52,980
know the next question uh I'm out of

1995
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:54,120
here

1996
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:58,080
um but what about okay what how did

1997
01:24:03,950 --> 01:24:01,020
we know 65 million years ago asteroid

1998
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:03,960
hits the hits hits the planet whites out

1999
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:07,140
the dinosaurs ah the sharks live through

2000
01:24:19,010 --> 01:24:15,050
um Okay so

2001
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,020
a lot of people have this misconception

2002
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:21,420
that megalodon or any of the mega two

2003
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:23,699
sharks that are in that lineage were

2004
01:24:27,410 --> 01:24:25,980
alive at the time of the dinosaurs and

2005
01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:27,420
that is not the case

2006
01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:31,620
in fact there were no large predatory

2007
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:34,620
sharks in the oceans at the end of the

2008
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:37,020
Cretaceous Period they had all been

2009
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:39,960
apparently consumed by mosasaurs and I'm

2010
01:24:44,810 --> 01:24:42,480
not kidding as a scientific fact

2011
01:24:47,149 --> 01:24:44,820
you have these 50 60 foot Marine monitor

2012
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:47,159
lizards swimming around and sharks were

2013
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:48,840
an ideal meal for them and they were

2014
01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:52,140
everywhere everywhere freshwater salt

2015
01:24:56,930 --> 01:24:55,020
water I mean like forget it so the only

2016
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,940
sharks left like the biggest shark I

2017
01:25:00,770 --> 01:24:58,560
think that was still around was a thing

2018
01:25:02,810 --> 01:25:00,780
called Credo lamina which was only about

2019
01:25:04,370 --> 01:25:02,820
nine or ten feet long

2020
01:25:05,450 --> 01:25:04,380
that was the biggest predatory shark

2021
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:05,460
that was left at the end of the

2022
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:06,840
Cretaceous when the dinosaurs were still

2023
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:09,179
there okay so now after the asteroid

2024
01:25:14,689 --> 01:25:12,300
impact Credo lamina and many other fish

2025
01:25:16,669 --> 01:25:14,699
survived you know different types of

2026
01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:16,679
fish prehistoric fish Etc different ones

2027
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,840
went extinct different times without the

2028
01:25:24,350 --> 01:25:21,120
mosasaurs there as the apex predator

2029
01:25:26,209 --> 01:25:24,360
that Niche became available

2030
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:26,219
and then what happened is Credo lamina

2031
01:25:30,410 --> 01:25:28,860
began to grow and grow and grow because

2032
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:30,420
nothing was eating it

2033
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:33,120
does that make sense you know sort of

2034
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:37,860
sort of but uh I

2035
01:25:44,030 --> 01:25:41,280
um in my limited research uh when it

2036
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,040
comes to this over the years

2037
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:46,560
um I thought that the great white shark

2038
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:50,159
as a species was 75 to 100 million years

2039
01:25:58,010 --> 01:25:54,840
old no and it it is not no and then and

2040
01:26:00,830 --> 01:25:58,020
I I I I thought that I had also read

2041
01:26:04,970 --> 01:26:00,840
that Megalodon didn't go extinct until

2042
01:26:07,970 --> 01:26:04,980
uh two to five million years ago 3.6

2043
01:26:12,290 --> 01:26:07,980
million years ago is the accepted Norm

2044
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:12,300
right now for Megalodon uh let's see I

2045
01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:14,580
have some I mean I got so many shark

2046
01:26:20,450 --> 01:26:16,380
teeth over there but I'm gonna pull up

2047
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,460
the numbers for you so that we have it

2048
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:23,040
of course despite what my readers think

2049
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:25,199
I am not omniscient and cannot remember

2050
01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:26,520
everything

2051
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:27,960
so

2052
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:30,540
yes I believe me I've tried it doesn't

2053
01:26:33,229 --> 01:26:31,679
work

2054
01:26:36,169 --> 01:26:33,239
um

2055
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:36,179
so let's see we got here so there is a

2056
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:38,219
one of the first or the maybe the first

2057
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:40,860
well-known megatoo shark is

2058
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:44,699
ototus obliqueus and this fish

2059
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,360
live let's see here from the Paleo scene

2060
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:50,880
so that would have been about 66 million

2061
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:53,460
years ago okay so after the dinosaurs

2062
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,600
were gone it evolved and until the

2063
01:27:03,709 --> 01:27:00,080
plyocene which was

2064
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:03,719
5.33 million years ago now this fish was

2065
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,960
around 30 feet long the size of a well a

2066
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:09,840
monster great white let's say okay

2067
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:12,600
so that one was one of that that's

2068
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:14,520
considered to be an early ancestor of

2069
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:17,520
Megalodon and I can go through all the

2070
01:27:22,970 --> 01:27:20,040
different species and stuff but you had

2071
01:27:26,990 --> 01:27:22,980
um so you had a totus obliqueus you had

2072
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:27,000
gosh let me see a totus angosteidens you

2073
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,440
had I mean there's a whole bunch of them

2074
01:27:32,450 --> 01:27:30,239
there's the shark changed and evolved

2075
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:32,460
and grew bit by bit by bit over millions

2076
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:34,620
and millions of years

2077
01:27:45,610 --> 01:27:41,870
live from 23 to 3.6 million years ago

2078
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:45,620
so it didn't evolve until

2079
01:27:52,330 --> 01:27:48,480
43 million years after the dinosaurs

2080
01:27:56,570 --> 01:27:55,669
what would take out the the Megalodon

2081
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,580
though

2082
01:28:01,850 --> 01:27:58,800
and I mean why did Megalodon go extinct

2083
01:28:04,129 --> 01:28:01,860
yeah how I'm just trying to understand

2084
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:04,139
here and I'm sure everybody's thinking

2085
01:28:09,410 --> 01:28:07,560
the same thing did did the Great Whites

2086
01:28:13,129 --> 01:28:09,420
win this battle

2087
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,139
well so I mean you see a lot of theories

2088
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,080
that get put out there about stuff and

2089
01:28:20,209 --> 01:28:17,600
some in my opinion are a little more

2090
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:20,219
sensationalized than others and what you

2091
01:28:23,209 --> 01:28:22,260
know why Megalodon died off I did an

2092
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:23,219
interview

2093
01:28:27,709 --> 01:28:26,460
about this I think it was last year or

2094
01:28:29,450 --> 01:28:27,719
something like that I'm not really sure

2095
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,460
but uh

2096
01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:31,199
you know the Megalodon is big business

2097
01:28:35,870 --> 01:28:34,620
so its Extinction is a Hot Topic and

2098
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:35,880
there's been a lot of theories put out

2099
01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:38,400
there about it there was one a few years

2100
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:40,980
back I I would say a very enthusiastic

2101
01:28:46,010 --> 01:28:44,580
one that energy from a supernova wiped

2102
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,020
out the shark

2103
01:28:50,570 --> 01:28:47,760
you know people were like oh yeah I took

2104
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,580
this cosmic energy explosion to kill off

2105
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,040
this indestructible monster I think a

2106
01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:54,960
lot of people like that idea the problem

2107
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:56,520
was is that when this Theory came out

2108
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,100
everybody thought that the shark died

2109
01:29:03,649 --> 01:29:01,679
off 2.6 million years ago which was when

2110
01:29:05,149 --> 01:29:03,659
this cosmic explosion took place then

2111
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:05,159
evidence came out that it actually died

2112
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:08,340
around off 3.6 million years ago so they

2113
01:29:11,930 --> 01:29:10,320
were off by a million years so obviously

2114
01:29:16,490 --> 01:29:11,940
that theory was not going to hold water

2115
01:29:21,229 --> 01:29:18,350
right so

2116
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:21,239
my theory and I I try to base these

2117
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:24,300
things on on logic if you have a

2118
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:26,760
Cosmopolitan species that means a

2119
01:29:33,709 --> 01:29:30,000
species that's all over the world okay

2120
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,719
it takes a lot for that animal for that

2121
01:29:37,790 --> 01:29:36,000
species to go extinct because there

2122
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,800
could be populations that survive here

2123
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:40,080
or there you know if the planet shifts

2124
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,760
and the temperatures change and some

2125
01:29:44,810 --> 01:29:43,440
areas become warmer or cooler and stuff

2126
01:29:47,390 --> 01:29:44,820
like that like we're experiencing now

2127
01:29:49,490 --> 01:29:47,400
okay it doesn't matter they can move to

2128
01:29:51,770 --> 01:29:49,500
different parts if there was a you know

2129
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:51,780
a food shortage in one spot you know

2130
01:29:55,970 --> 01:29:54,239
there's others you know populations that

2131
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:55,980
are going to pick up the slack and stuff

2132
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:57,900
like that you know or if the Isthmus of

2133
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,580
Panama have you know closed off certain

2134
01:30:04,490 --> 01:30:01,679
corridors or whatever it might be you

2135
01:30:06,169 --> 01:30:04,500
know so these animals went through

2136
01:30:07,790 --> 01:30:06,179
different ice ages and things like that

2137
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,800
temperature rises and Falls that they

2138
01:30:13,250 --> 01:30:09,840
were still there and then 3.6 million

2139
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:15,830
I equate this to the plyosaurs that I

2140
01:30:20,090 --> 01:30:17,360
write about micronus Horizon series

2141
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:20,100
these giant sperm whale size marine

2142
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:22,380
reptiles that had Jaws that could crush

2143
01:30:26,450 --> 01:30:24,300
a car and then all of a sudden they died

2144
01:30:28,970 --> 01:30:26,460
off around 90 million years ago

2145
01:30:30,890 --> 01:30:28,980
well interestingly they died off right

2146
01:30:32,450 --> 01:30:30,900
after the ichthyosaurus which means fish

2147
01:30:36,169 --> 01:30:32,460
lizards I don't know if you know what

2148
01:30:38,090 --> 01:30:36,179
the atheosaur is I've seen pictures it

2149
01:30:40,490 --> 01:30:38,100
looks like a dolphin with a long face

2150
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:40,500
and a lot of sharp teeth okay yep so

2151
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:41,520
they look like literally look like

2152
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:44,760
dolphins okay and if these words range

2153
01:30:48,530 --> 01:30:46,320
in size from a couple feet to like 30

2154
01:30:50,209 --> 01:30:48,540
even 40 feet long all different kinds

2155
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:50,219
all over the place and they eat eight

2156
01:30:54,890 --> 01:30:52,980
fish so you have these fish stocks

2157
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,900
crashing all these ichthyosaurs all of a

2158
01:30:58,189 --> 01:30:56,639
sudden went extinct and then the pliers

2159
01:31:00,530 --> 01:30:58,199
died off and that's because the

2160
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:00,540
plyosaurs their main bread and butter

2161
01:31:06,649 --> 01:31:03,600
was ichthyosaurus that's what they ate

2162
01:31:08,689 --> 01:31:06,659
most of the time okay once in a while

2163
01:31:10,850 --> 01:31:08,699
they need to please yes or or small

2164
01:31:14,209 --> 01:31:10,860
plious or something like that or shark

2165
01:31:16,610 --> 01:31:14,219
or whatever but their main food was like

2166
01:31:18,290 --> 01:31:16,620
just like if a shark was eating tuna and

2167
01:31:20,030 --> 01:31:18,300
all the tuna were gone it had nothing to

2168
01:31:22,610 --> 01:31:20,040
eat that type of stuff so no

2169
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:22,620
ichthyosaurs pliers die right on the

2170
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:24,840
heels of that and they're gone off the

2171
01:31:34,270 --> 01:31:26,639
fossil record other pleases were still

2172
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:39,830
except for Loch Ness but we'll see

2173
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:42,470
full circle so but back to the megalon

2174
01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:43,440
thing so

2175
01:31:47,930 --> 01:31:45,300
I believe that Megalodon died off

2176
01:31:50,990 --> 01:31:47,940
because of its diet but not in the

2177
01:31:52,669 --> 01:31:51,000
traditional sense to me it was when I I

2178
01:31:54,830 --> 01:31:52,679
and I did a lot of research on this okay

2179
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,840
I don't just like make stuff or pull it

2180
01:31:59,390 --> 01:31:56,880
out of my butt as my daughter would say

2181
01:32:00,770 --> 01:31:59,400
but it was like a triple whammy and it

2182
01:32:03,790 --> 01:32:00,780
was a combination of the schwarf's

2183
01:32:06,830 --> 01:32:03,800
excessive size it's over specialization

2184
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:06,840
and its Reliance on a food pyramid that

2185
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:09,360
in the end Came Crashing Down

2186
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,760
now this may wrinkle some people but

2187
01:32:16,430 --> 01:32:13,440
there's fossil evidence in fact I'm

2188
01:32:18,590 --> 01:32:16,440
holding a piece of one right here okay

2189
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,600
but there's fossil evidence in the form

2190
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:20,639
of the the Megalodon's tooth morphology

2191
01:32:24,290 --> 01:32:22,440
as well as fragments of fossilized whale

2192
01:32:26,450 --> 01:32:24,300
bone that support a theory I had put out

2193
01:32:28,129 --> 01:32:26,460
years back that the adult sharks got

2194
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:28,139
most of their food from rotting whale

2195
01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:30,120
carcasses they were too slow to hunt

2196
01:32:35,629 --> 01:32:33,000
citations to swam three times as fast it

2197
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:35,639
just you know so point is that that

2198
01:32:40,490 --> 01:32:38,159
being a primary scavenger for the adults

2199
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:40,500
wasn't a bad thing because the mega lens

2200
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:43,380
hunting strategies were advantageous for

2201
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,840
tens of millions of years as we now know

2202
01:32:49,310 --> 01:32:47,280
just like we just looked at the dates

2203
01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:49,320
okay so you want to think of this as an

2204
01:32:54,350 --> 01:32:52,440
inverted triangle okay like this and at

2205
01:32:56,930 --> 01:32:54,360
the top of that triangle you got the

2206
01:32:59,390 --> 01:32:56,940
younger megalon sharks they're maybe 15

2207
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:59,400
or 25 feet long and these fish are

2208
01:33:03,530 --> 01:33:01,800
active Hunters they are quick quick

2209
01:33:06,530 --> 01:33:03,540
enough to catch and kill the bolina

2210
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,540
tooth whales other day which were around

2211
01:33:09,950 --> 01:33:08,880
their size you didn't have any giant

2212
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:09,960
whales

2213
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:12,120
Beyond 4.6 million years ago or

2214
01:33:15,770 --> 01:33:13,920
something like that okay there were

2215
01:33:18,350 --> 01:33:15,780
obviously a lot more of the smaller

2216
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:18,360
sharks than there were the giant adults

2217
01:33:21,169 --> 01:33:19,560
which would have been at the bottom of

2218
01:33:22,970 --> 01:33:21,179
that food pyramid so you want to think

2219
01:33:25,370 --> 01:33:22,980
of it like great whites

2220
01:33:26,990 --> 01:33:25,380
there are thousands of fish I'm sure

2221
01:33:29,209 --> 01:33:27,000
you'll agree white sharks out that are

2222
01:33:32,030 --> 01:33:29,219
10 or 12 feet long right

2223
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:32,040
and hundreds that are 16 feet or 14 or

2224
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:34,320
50 or 16 right I mean you see them you

2225
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,940
know shark cage videos and stuff like

2226
01:33:39,169 --> 01:33:37,920
that but how many of them that are 20

2227
01:33:41,330 --> 01:33:39,179
feet or more

2228
01:33:42,830 --> 01:33:41,340
I mean we see deep blue and we see the

2229
01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:42,840
evidence I've collected of sharks that

2230
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:45,780
are bigger but how many do we see

2231
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:47,520
you know what I mean so the same thing

2232
01:33:51,470 --> 01:33:49,380
would have applied to the Megalodon you

2233
01:33:54,410 --> 01:33:51,480
have these younger sharks making kills

2234
01:33:55,729 --> 01:33:54,420
and what's left after they eat their

2235
01:33:58,430 --> 01:33:55,739
kill which they're not going to eat all

2236
01:33:59,930 --> 01:33:58,440
of it's as big as them carcasses so the

2237
01:34:02,870 --> 01:33:59,940
younger fish were basically providing

2238
01:34:04,669 --> 01:34:02,880
food for the older sharks lots of food

2239
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:04,679
because they outnumber the older sharks

2240
01:34:09,530 --> 01:34:07,980
50 100 to one maybe more you see and

2241
01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:09,540
that's why the Sharks develop these

2242
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:12,420
upper maxillary teeth that are designed

2243
01:34:16,370 --> 01:34:14,760
to Crunch through rib cages on carcasses

2244
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:16,380
which will often strip when they got

2245
01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:18,239
there so they could get access to the

2246
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:21,540
heart and lungs of the dead whale which

2247
01:34:24,290 --> 01:34:22,980
the smaller sharks even the smaller

2248
01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:24,300
megalodons couldn't bite through those

2249
01:34:27,649 --> 01:34:26,580
giant rips and I got ribs in there I

2250
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:27,659
could show you with the bite march to

2251
01:34:33,950 --> 01:34:30,780
prove it okay so that's that's what what

2252
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:33,960
the big sharks did okay so about a

2253
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:36,560
million years before the Meg died off

2254
01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:39,360
whales started getting bigger

2255
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,400
I believe that this was a result of

2256
01:34:45,470 --> 01:34:43,440
evolutionary pressure meaning the

2257
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:45,480
biggest whales were less likely to be

2258
01:34:51,169 --> 01:34:49,080
attacked you know by a 20 25 foot Mega

2259
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:51,179
knowledge say so these bigger whales

2260
01:34:55,129 --> 01:34:53,040
pass on their genes and future

2261
01:34:57,470 --> 01:34:55,139
Generations through larger and larger

2262
01:35:00,050 --> 01:34:57,480
and this is supported by a paper by I

2263
01:35:03,169 --> 01:35:00,060
think it's lamborgh people can look it

2264
01:35:05,810 --> 01:35:03,179
up so the shark actually caused whales

2265
01:35:07,850 --> 01:35:05,820
to grow by feeding on them

2266
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,860
and this gradual increase in whale size

2267
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,840
became problematic for the younger

2268
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,480
megalodons as a 20-foot Predator cannot

2269
01:35:17,090 --> 01:35:14,639
exactly attack a 40-foot Leviathan

2270
01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:17,100
without getting hurt or killed you see

2271
01:35:21,890 --> 01:35:19,560
so this also became a problem for the

2272
01:35:24,290 --> 01:35:21,900
adult Megalodons which were physically

2273
01:35:26,030 --> 01:35:24,300
capable of killing whales that size 40

2274
01:35:27,530 --> 01:35:26,040
feet let's say but they weren't fast

2275
01:35:29,330 --> 01:35:27,540
enough to catch them

2276
01:35:31,490 --> 01:35:29,340
so the shark is faced with larger and

2277
01:35:33,470 --> 01:35:31,500
larger whales traveling in pods that are

2278
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,480
no longer on the menu so this is the

2279
01:35:37,550 --> 01:35:35,520
first whammy or strike one if you want

2280
01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:37,560
to call it that towards megalon going

2281
01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:38,820
extinct

2282
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:42,060
second whammy is also whale related and

2283
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:43,980
that's at the end of the myocene and Roy

2284
01:35:48,050 --> 01:35:46,440
pliocene many of the smaller species of

2285
01:35:49,970 --> 01:35:48,060
whales that were megalons bread and

2286
01:35:52,370 --> 01:35:49,980
butter like the ichthyosaurus the

2287
01:35:55,010 --> 01:35:52,380
plyosaurs I mentioned okay these whales

2288
01:35:56,410 --> 01:35:55,020
began to die off there was one called

2289
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:56,420
um

2290
01:36:02,229 --> 01:36:00,840
it was a 25 foot baleen whale and there

2291
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,239
was another called

2292
01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:04,560
bohascaya which was a 20-foot Beluga

2293
01:36:09,890 --> 01:36:06,900
type whale tooth whale both of these

2294
01:36:12,530 --> 01:36:09,900
whales went extinct at the close of the

2295
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:12,540
zancy in the early pliocene which is 3.6

2296
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:14,940
million years ago and exactly the same

2297
01:36:19,689 --> 01:36:17,400
time megadon vanishes

2298
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:19,699
so if there's no small whales around

2299
01:36:24,050 --> 01:36:22,260
okay there's no prey for the sub-adult

2300
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,060
Sharks it means there's no carcasses

2301
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:26,400
with a huge adult sharks which are the

2302
01:36:30,350 --> 01:36:29,280
species brood stock the Breeders you

2303
01:36:32,209 --> 01:36:30,360
know you don't have those you die

2304
01:36:34,669 --> 01:36:32,219
obviously okay so I mean think about

2305
01:36:36,649 --> 01:36:34,679
that 3.6 million years ago many of the

2306
01:36:39,110 --> 01:36:36,659
small whales are gone the giant Baleen

2307
01:36:40,370 --> 01:36:39,120
whales remain to this day but the mega

2308
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,380
shark is gone

2309
01:36:45,110 --> 01:36:42,719
don't you find that interesting well it

2310
01:36:47,050 --> 01:36:45,120
it it it it's almost like catastrophic

2311
01:36:50,090 --> 01:36:47,060
right it was just like the perfect

2312
01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:50,100
situation at the no wait wait but wait

2313
01:36:55,490 --> 01:36:53,400
there's more okay okay so the third and

2314
01:36:57,649 --> 01:36:55,500
final nail in Megalodon's enormous

2315
01:37:00,290 --> 01:36:57,659
coffin is something that could have

2316
01:37:03,950 --> 01:37:00,300
affects the most vulnerable of their

2317
01:37:05,629 --> 01:37:03,960
species their babies see and nobody

2318
01:37:07,010 --> 01:37:05,639
before me that I'm aware I've ever

2319
01:37:09,110 --> 01:37:07,020
focused on the fact that there was an

2320
01:37:11,330 --> 01:37:09,120
extinct species like serenian it's like

2321
01:37:15,110 --> 01:37:11,340
a dugong okay like it's really a manatee

2322
01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:15,120
called Nano siren Garcia I think it is

2323
01:37:21,530 --> 01:37:18,420
okay and Nano siren was a dwarf dugong

2324
01:37:23,209 --> 01:37:21,540
that inhabited this warm shallow Waters

2325
01:37:25,010 --> 01:37:23,219
of South America and the United States

2326
01:37:27,530 --> 01:37:25,020
it was small

2327
01:37:29,629 --> 01:37:27,540
like six or seven feet long maybe 300

2328
01:37:33,110 --> 01:37:29,639
something pounds and it was the perfect

2329
01:37:35,209 --> 01:37:33,120
yeah perfect prey item for neonate

2330
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:35,219
megalodons and a neonate means a baby

2331
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:37,920
okay which is that size so the baby

2332
01:37:42,050 --> 01:37:39,600
sharks would have feasted on these

2333
01:37:43,970 --> 01:37:42,060
blubber Rich High caloric meals which

2334
01:37:45,950 --> 01:37:43,980
would help them grow and they're also

2335
01:37:47,330 --> 01:37:45,960
hiding in the mangroves and the shallows

2336
01:37:49,070 --> 01:37:47,340
it's not going out to sea where they're

2337
01:37:51,229 --> 01:37:49,080
at risk from the adults and other and

2338
01:37:52,610 --> 01:37:51,239
great whites like you mentioned and and

2339
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:52,620
chubby tenses and all these other

2340
01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:54,000
monsters are out there so they're

2341
01:37:58,490 --> 01:37:55,139
staying in the shallows and they're

2342
01:38:01,850 --> 01:37:58,500
eating these dwarf dugongs Nano siren

2343
01:38:04,129 --> 01:38:01,860
also died off around 3.6 million years

2344
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,139
ago I find it hard to believe that's a

2345
01:38:08,689 --> 01:38:06,480
coincidence so Reliance on it for food

2346
01:38:10,970 --> 01:38:08,699
was in my opinion strike three for the

2347
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:10,980
megalon no food for the babies means no

2348
01:38:15,229 --> 01:38:12,560
adults and the species could not

2349
01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:15,239
withstand this triple whammy hitting

2350
01:38:18,770 --> 01:38:17,580
them all at the same time food pyramid

2351
01:38:20,990 --> 01:38:18,780
collapses under its own weight

2352
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,000
population goes with it and just like

2353
01:38:27,709 --> 01:38:23,280
that the world's largest carnivorous

2354
01:38:29,570 --> 01:38:27,719
fish was gone just like that I it it you

2355
01:38:32,689 --> 01:38:29,580
make it sound so simple but if there's

2356
01:38:34,189 --> 01:38:32,699
no food there's no food exactly I mean

2357
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:34,199
what happens to people if there's no

2358
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:37,500
food we don't happen exactly so and this

2359
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:39,300
was but this was hitting them from every

2360
01:38:43,010 --> 01:38:41,280
angle I mean if you think about it it

2361
01:38:44,810 --> 01:38:43,020
was like coming at them from multiple it

2362
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:44,820
was hurting a baby starving the babies

2363
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:47,460
out okay some adults didn't have food

2364
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:49,440
then the big adults didn't have food you

2365
01:38:53,629 --> 01:38:51,060
know I mean it was like like nobody had

2366
01:38:55,490 --> 01:38:53,639
anything to eat and I'm sure they tried

2367
01:38:57,290 --> 01:38:55,500
and tried and ate sea turtles and

2368
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:57,300
everything else that they could you know

2369
01:39:01,370 --> 01:38:59,040
like workers do that sometimes they eat

2370
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:01,380
sea otters when we've taken all their

2371
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:02,639
salmon

2372
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:04,560
and stuff like that you know but at the

2373
01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:06,960
end of the day you know they a lot of

2374
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:08,400
them are starving well British Columbia

2375
01:39:16,129 --> 01:39:13,440
and stuff killer whales what uh I just

2376
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:16,139
want to ask just a a a stupid question

2377
01:39:22,250 --> 01:39:18,960
for me I've we've all seen those videos

2378
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,260
of the great whites eating the seals and

2379
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:24,239
they you know fly out of the water where

2380
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:26,040
is that at

2381
01:39:30,110 --> 01:39:27,420
I think that happens in a lot of places

2382
01:39:33,010 --> 01:39:30,120
to be honest I mean I've seen makos do

2383
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:35,930
where the seals are trying to go from

2384
01:39:39,550 --> 01:39:38,460
Island to Island and and thinking of the

2385
01:39:42,850 --> 01:39:39,560
farallones

2386
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:42,860
in California yeah okay

2387
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:45,780
is that what it is and you would think

2388
01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:48,960
that the seals would just learn from

2389
01:39:54,830 --> 01:39:51,420
that like not go

2390
01:39:57,110 --> 01:39:54,840
well they know but unfortunately

2391
01:39:58,850 --> 01:39:57,120
you get careless and remember what I

2392
01:40:00,290 --> 01:39:58,860
told you you know the white shark they

2393
01:40:02,090 --> 01:40:00,300
don't just come charging at them like

2394
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:02,100
here I am I'm gonna get you you know

2395
01:40:07,250 --> 01:40:04,380
they're on the bottom blending in

2396
01:40:08,990 --> 01:40:07,260
looking looking a young CEO who's not as

2397
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:09,000
experienced somebody who's not paying

2398
01:40:13,550 --> 01:40:10,980
attention you know something like that

2399
01:40:16,990 --> 01:40:13,560
maybe he's checking his 401k on his cell

2400
01:40:21,530 --> 01:40:17,000
phone and then boom

2401
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:21,540
somebody just said it's in South Africa

2402
01:40:27,709 --> 01:40:25,679
the Caroline Islands uh well what I'm

2403
01:40:30,169 --> 01:40:27,719
talking about with the

2404
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:30,179
with the seals I think it's seals oh

2405
01:40:32,810 --> 01:40:31,199
it's probably where the guys are

2406
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:32,820
actually doing that dragging the thing

2407
01:40:35,870 --> 01:40:34,260
behind the boat and getting on the

2408
01:40:39,169 --> 01:40:35,880
breach like air draws that type of thing

2409
01:40:40,910 --> 01:40:39,179
yeah but yeah what a white shark when

2410
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:40,920
they breach it's usually when they come

2411
01:40:44,930 --> 01:40:42,900
up and they Rush at something and either

2412
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:44,940
they miss or they hit it and they rubbed

2413
01:40:48,050 --> 01:40:46,320
out of the water

2414
01:40:49,790 --> 01:40:48,060
there was actually a study that was very

2415
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,800
useful for that documentary

2416
01:40:54,169 --> 01:40:51,600
um that I got to reference where they

2417
01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:54,179
put tags on basking sharks that were

2418
01:40:57,890 --> 01:40:56,340
breaching also and maybe the crunch

2419
01:40:59,930 --> 01:40:57,900
numbers and get their speeds and figure

2420
01:41:01,490 --> 01:40:59,940
out how fast like a white shark would be

2421
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:01,500
the same size and stuff like that it was

2422
01:41:05,930 --> 01:41:03,840
fascinating stuff where did you see

2423
01:41:07,729 --> 01:41:05,940
Bigfoot

2424
01:41:09,290 --> 01:41:07,739
Danbury Connecticut

2425
01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:09,300
what happened

2426
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:13,139
oh Danbury Connecticut yep where the

2427
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,639
mint is the Danbury Mint

2428
01:41:21,649 --> 01:41:19,199
but my grandparents have built a house

2429
01:41:24,290 --> 01:41:21,659
on the lake Candlewood Lake there many

2430
01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:24,300
many and we're talking back in the 40s

2431
01:41:27,950 --> 01:41:25,980
or something like that it was in the

2432
01:41:29,570 --> 01:41:27,960
family for a long time I used to love

2433
01:41:31,970 --> 01:41:29,580
going up there in the summer fishing the

2434
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:31,980
lake and stuff like that and uh

2435
01:41:36,290 --> 01:41:33,960
I mean the whole story is in the book

2436
01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:36,300
but what happened was um

2437
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:38,340
gosh it was me and two of my brothers

2438
01:41:44,990 --> 01:41:40,860
we'll call them Cisco and Ebert

2439
01:41:46,850 --> 01:41:45,000
for privacy sake okay all right uh you

2440
01:41:48,530 --> 01:41:46,860
you know who you ever you know who you

2441
01:41:50,570 --> 01:41:48,540
are but anyway

2442
01:41:54,410 --> 01:41:50,580
um so I was around it was like like 30

2443
01:41:58,430 --> 01:41:54,420
years ago I was you know 28. yeah I'm an

2444
01:42:02,209 --> 01:41:58,440
old man the house you know I'm older

2445
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,219
than you so we gonna go out and cash our

2446
01:42:07,310 --> 01:42:04,080
Social Security checks and try to pick

2447
01:42:08,570 --> 01:42:07,320
up some hot chicks home but anyway so

2448
01:42:10,129 --> 01:42:08,580
moving right along

2449
01:42:12,410 --> 01:42:10,139
um I didn't take my meds today so I'm

2450
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:12,420
gonna apologize you know if I'm a little

2451
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,119
out there you know you're not catching

2452
01:42:19,390 --> 01:42:17,520
me at my best so anyway it's Thursday

2453
01:42:24,290 --> 01:42:19,400
night man

2454
01:42:26,750 --> 01:42:24,300
yeah get crazy get get wild okay so

2455
01:42:29,149 --> 01:42:26,760
you're out with uh Siskel and Ebert okay

2456
01:42:30,169 --> 01:42:29,159
so so we uh at the time we didn't have a

2457
01:42:31,609 --> 01:42:30,179
boat

2458
01:42:33,709 --> 01:42:31,619
um and we were gonna do shore fishing

2459
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:33,719
okay and

2460
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,020
um there is this lake called squons Pond

2461
01:42:40,669 --> 01:42:39,119
which is part of like a state park which

2462
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,679
of course I'm sure you know Bigfoot are

2463
01:42:46,129 --> 01:42:42,960
often seen in state parks

2464
01:42:47,689 --> 01:42:46,139
you know seems to be a habit yeah

2465
01:42:50,050 --> 01:42:47,699
habitat

2466
01:42:52,609 --> 01:42:50,060
so what happened is um

2467
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,619
swans Pond is not a small Lake it's like

2468
01:42:54,590 --> 01:42:53,760
a couple two miles long or something

2469
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,600
like that

2470
01:42:58,729 --> 01:42:56,400
it was originally part of Candlewood

2471
01:43:00,649 --> 01:42:58,739
Lake and it was all one thing but it was

2472
01:43:02,570 --> 01:43:00,659
a narrow space between these two

2473
01:43:04,010 --> 01:43:02,580
sections and they built a Causeway there

2474
01:43:07,010 --> 01:43:04,020
you know the causeway is like an

2475
01:43:08,930 --> 01:43:07,020
artificial Road okay and they piled up

2476
01:43:10,850 --> 01:43:08,940
all this rock you know these small rocks

2477
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:10,860
whatever and stuff like that and they

2478
01:43:14,330 --> 01:43:12,420
built the road on top of it it's a small

2479
01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:14,340
road I don't know if one or two cars can

2480
01:43:19,129 --> 01:43:16,020
go across this thing or whatever it is

2481
01:43:21,890 --> 01:43:19,139
so this Causeway if you look at it from

2482
01:43:23,870 --> 01:43:21,900
a side angle like a a cut out it's kind

2483
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:23,880
of like slope like this with the rocks

2484
01:43:28,129 --> 01:43:26,159
on both sides so this side would be like

2485
01:43:29,810 --> 01:43:28,139
swans and this side would be Candlewood

2486
01:43:31,850 --> 01:43:29,820
let's say and then the roads on top of

2487
01:43:33,470 --> 01:43:31,860
that if you're going back and forth and

2488
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:33,480
so that the water could flow back and

2489
01:43:36,649 --> 01:43:34,980
forth and the animals could travel back

2490
01:43:39,229 --> 01:43:36,659
and forth they built like I don't know

2491
01:43:41,629 --> 01:43:39,239
what you call it like a a dock that big

2492
01:43:43,490 --> 01:43:41,639
giant like concrete steel sewer pipe

2493
01:43:46,010 --> 01:43:43,500
whatever that connects them you know

2494
01:43:49,250 --> 01:43:46,020
underwater so that that can happen it

2495
01:43:52,370 --> 01:43:49,260
with me so far I'm looking at it okay

2496
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,380
cool I'm literally looking at it that's

2497
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:54,000
what I'm doing I'm right here I'm at

2498
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:56,159
squats I thought I was getting boring

2499
01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:58,800
you know because you know I'm looking at

2500
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,560
Candlewood Lake right here yeah so if

2501
01:44:05,810 --> 01:44:03,360
you see the causeway okay you'll see

2502
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,820
exactly where where this happened so we

2503
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,920
decided you know that we figured okay

2504
01:44:11,450 --> 01:44:09,840
there's got to be all sorts of bait like

2505
01:44:13,370 --> 01:44:11,460
crayfish and stuff in these rocks

2506
01:44:16,370 --> 01:44:13,380
because the Rocks go out for hundreds of

2507
01:44:19,490 --> 01:44:16,380
feet okay and we were going to get there

2508
01:44:21,649 --> 01:44:19,500
right before Dawn and we were gonna have

2509
01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:21,659
our Bobbers out our baits and these fish

2510
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:23,639
in a bass small amount large one we're

2511
01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:25,320
gonna be coming in and we're gonna have

2512
01:44:27,970 --> 01:44:26,639
a field day we were going to slaughter

2513
01:44:30,649 --> 01:44:27,980
them okay that was our plan

2514
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,659
unfortunately we didn't count on this

2515
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,880
thing called weather okay and we didn't

2516
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:34,560
pay attention to the fact that it rained

2517
01:44:40,729 --> 01:44:37,679
its buns off the entire night so when we

2518
01:44:44,090 --> 01:44:40,739
got there the water was the color of tea

2519
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:44,100
and not tea with milk in it dark tea

2520
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:46,800
okay it was horrible so we're sitting

2521
01:44:50,510 --> 01:44:49,199
there the dark or just the little Sun's

2522
01:44:54,109 --> 01:44:50,520
just starting to creep up a little bit

2523
01:44:57,950 --> 01:44:54,119
and stuff and on our buckets fishing the

2524
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:57,960
Squan side nothing's happening flat calm

2525
01:45:03,229 --> 01:45:00,239
literally like the water was like glass

2526
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:03,239
a little bit of mist and that was it so

2527
01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:04,380
we're sitting there we're sitting there

2528
01:45:07,790 --> 01:45:06,540
nothing nothing so then Cisco and Eber

2529
01:45:10,189 --> 01:45:07,800
decide you know what we're gonna go try

2530
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,199
the The Candlewood side you coming I'm

2531
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,239
like no no I'll stay here you know I

2532
01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:13,679
figured haha you guys are going to leave

2533
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,940
the fish are going to turn on and I'm

2534
01:45:17,689 --> 01:45:16,320
gonna you know catch them and you're

2535
01:45:19,070 --> 01:45:17,699
whatever you know competition that's

2536
01:45:20,990 --> 01:45:19,080
correct that's right that's right that's

2537
01:45:22,850 --> 01:45:21,000
right so they go up the slope they cross

2538
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:22,860
the the road and they go down the other

2539
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:24,239
side of the slope so now they're setting

2540
01:45:27,050 --> 01:45:25,679
up shop on the other thing if I had

2541
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,060
shouted real loud they could have heard

2542
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:29,040
me there was no cell phones back then

2543
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:30,900
obviously or anything like that if they

2544
01:45:36,530 --> 01:45:33,600
were they were it's only a thousand feet

2545
01:45:38,750 --> 01:45:36,540
uh at its widest right there between

2546
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:38,760
squats and Candlewood

2547
01:45:43,129 --> 01:45:41,280
I'm looking at it on the map so yeah you

2548
01:45:44,090 --> 01:45:43,139
could you could have a conversation for

2549
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:44,100
sure

2550
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:46,440
so so I'm sitting there on my bucket you

2551
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:47,760
know I got a bucket turn upside down or

2552
01:45:51,530 --> 01:45:50,159
whatever and stuff and watching I have

2553
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:51,540
like one or two rods out there and

2554
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,520
nothing's happening I'm miserable and

2555
01:45:57,470 --> 01:45:55,440
then I see this thing on the surface of

2556
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:57,480
the water it breaks the surface it was I

2557
01:46:01,129 --> 01:45:59,040
don't know how far out I'd really have

2558
01:46:02,990 --> 01:46:01,139
to go back there and Eyeball it to get

2559
01:46:04,970 --> 01:46:03,000
exact numbers or stuff it might have

2560
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,980
been 150 feet away or something like

2561
01:46:08,750 --> 01:46:06,960
that but I see this dark thing come to

2562
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:08,760
the surface you know and then I went on

2563
01:46:11,570 --> 01:46:10,260
there and I thought it was a fish at

2564
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:11,580
first I was like oh there's a big one

2565
01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:13,440
you know and then it was gone and then

2566
01:46:17,390 --> 01:46:14,940
like a minute or two later it popped up

2567
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,400
again it's only a bit closer you know

2568
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:18,960
and then I started looking at them like

2569
01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:21,360
and I saw that it was like roundish and

2570
01:46:26,570 --> 01:46:24,179
it was furry had like this reddish brown

2571
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,580
hair kind of like a uh like an Irish

2572
01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:29,280
Setter okay and I thought oh it's a

2573
01:46:32,750 --> 01:46:31,260
muskrat and then I got a tiny bit closer

2574
01:46:34,669 --> 01:46:32,760
I'm like nah that's too big to be a

2575
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,679
muskrat I'm like that's a beaver yeah

2576
01:46:37,970 --> 01:46:36,000
that's a b Riverside shape like a

2577
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:37,980
beaver's butt kind of maybe that kind of

2578
01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:40,080
stuff and I'm like no that's not a

2579
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,119
beaver I'm like what the hell am I

2580
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,159
looking at here you know and I couldn't

2581
01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:46,800
figure it out and it would go underwater

2582
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:48,960
for maybe a minute two minutes or more

2583
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:50,880
you know and then it would come back up

2584
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:53,280
and in retrospect I know that it was

2585
01:46:56,990 --> 01:46:55,440
going down and Diving for crayfish and

2586
01:46:58,850 --> 01:46:57,000
coming up and eating them taking a

2587
01:47:01,129 --> 01:46:58,860
breath and going back down again okay

2588
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:01,139
that's what was apparently happening in

2589
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:03,360
retrospect but at the time I had no idea

2590
01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:04,560
about that I just thought it was some

2591
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:07,320
weird animal so I'm like is that a deer

2592
01:47:11,689 --> 01:47:09,360
because I realized it was big you know

2593
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:11,699
and I'm like no because deer they do the

2594
01:47:15,290 --> 01:47:13,440
Loch Ness thing with the you know swim

2595
01:47:17,209 --> 01:47:15,300
like that and you see them you know what

2596
01:47:20,090 --> 01:47:17,219
I mean you see them like in champ videos

2597
01:47:21,229 --> 01:47:20,100
oh that's champ no it's a deer okay but

2598
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:21,239
anyway

2599
01:47:24,830 --> 01:47:23,400
um so you know it wasn't a deer and then

2600
01:47:26,450 --> 01:47:24,840
I literally thought it was an Irish

2601
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:26,460
Setter like I said the color and

2602
01:47:29,330 --> 01:47:27,840
everything like that it must be an Irish

2603
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,340
Setter you know because I started seeing

2604
01:47:33,290 --> 01:47:31,920
parts of it like behind it not just what

2605
01:47:35,689 --> 01:47:33,300
was the head coming up part of the head

2606
01:47:37,370 --> 01:47:35,699
but there was stuff behind that you know

2607
01:47:39,470 --> 01:47:37,380
and I'm like it's an Irish Setter you

2608
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:39,480
know it's about that size maybe you know

2609
01:47:43,790 --> 01:47:42,000
it's still pretty far out I'm like nah

2610
01:47:45,890 --> 01:47:43,800
that head's not shaped like an Irish

2611
01:47:49,850 --> 01:47:45,900
Setter and why is it diving under water

2612
01:47:51,890 --> 01:47:49,860
it was it was quite the mystery okay and

2613
01:47:53,330 --> 01:47:51,900
at one point like I said like you were

2614
01:47:54,890 --> 01:47:53,340
seeing like this head come up and by the

2615
01:47:58,970 --> 01:47:54,900
way the head was not conical it was

2616
01:48:00,970 --> 01:47:58,980
rounded how old were you how old how old

2617
01:48:03,770 --> 01:48:00,980
28.

2618
01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:03,780
you're twenty yeah 28 or 29 yeah so

2619
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:06,060
you're old enough to know better is is

2620
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:08,639
where I'm going with this uh allegedly

2621
01:48:13,310 --> 01:48:11,520
okay continue so I hadn't now I had knew

2622
01:48:15,709 --> 01:48:13,320
nothing about Sasquatch back then just

2623
01:48:19,250 --> 01:48:15,719
as we're clear on that okay right and

2624
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,260
then I I kind of I stood up you know and

2625
01:48:24,109 --> 01:48:21,840
I looked and I could see when it came up

2626
01:48:25,850 --> 01:48:24,119
that there was like a body right behind

2627
01:48:28,370 --> 01:48:25,860
the head but it was going away from me

2628
01:48:29,810 --> 01:48:28,380
so it was like you know tapered

2629
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:29,820
and I mean like the head was closer so

2630
01:48:32,930 --> 01:48:31,440
it looks bigger you know like if I put

2631
01:48:34,729 --> 01:48:32,940
my hand out like this towards the camera

2632
01:48:35,810 --> 01:48:34,739
you see my my hand looks a lot bigger

2633
01:48:37,490 --> 01:48:35,820
than the rest of me that type of thing

2634
01:48:40,910 --> 01:48:37,500
Force perspective

2635
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,920
um so but I could see its legs right

2636
01:48:45,169 --> 01:48:42,480
under the surface of the water

2637
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:45,179
it had lakes in the back and the legs

2638
01:48:49,729 --> 01:48:48,239
they moved together when they swim

2639
01:48:52,490 --> 01:48:49,739
like a mermaid

2640
01:48:54,109 --> 01:48:52,500
like that so you mark my words when

2641
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,119
proof of bigfoot comes around people see

2642
01:48:57,649 --> 01:48:56,400
them in the water and their legs are

2643
01:49:02,209 --> 01:48:57,659
moving together they're going to be like

2644
01:49:04,850 --> 01:49:02,219
the max was right okay so mer foot well

2645
01:49:08,030 --> 01:49:04,860
it was quite quite an Adept swimmer and

2646
01:49:10,189 --> 01:49:08,040
it had powerful lungs okay so at this

2647
01:49:12,109 --> 01:49:10,199
point I started to think that it was an

2648
01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:12,119
enormous orangutan

2649
01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:13,860
like that somebody like one of these

2650
01:49:17,689 --> 01:49:15,179
wealthy people on the other side of the

2651
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:17,699
lake had a bed orangutan that somehow

2652
01:49:22,490 --> 01:49:20,400
was a master swimmer and was comfortable

2653
01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:22,500
in a lake and Diving underwater for God

2654
01:49:28,370 --> 01:49:24,840
knows what okay which made no sense but

2655
01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:28,380
I was like grasping at straws so then I

2656
01:49:31,850 --> 01:49:30,060
came up with this brilliant idea I was

2657
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:31,860
like you know what I'm gonna do I wanted

2658
01:49:34,970 --> 01:49:33,900
to know what this thing was okay because

2659
01:49:39,050 --> 01:49:34,980
I've been watching it for like 15

2660
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,060
minutes 15 minutes okay if I'd had like

2661
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:41,040
something like like a the Polaroid was

2662
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,960
with my brother but a good camera and I

2663
01:49:45,709 --> 01:49:44,400
could have zoomed in and taken pictures

2664
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:45,719
whatever so like I'm sure it would have

2665
01:49:51,649 --> 01:49:48,719
been credible so I decided I'm gonna go

2666
01:49:53,090 --> 01:49:51,659
up the hill like back up the hill you

2667
01:49:55,070 --> 01:49:53,100
know and get high enough I'm looking

2668
01:49:56,689 --> 01:49:55,080
down at it because I was ground level so

2669
01:49:58,010 --> 01:49:56,699
I was kind of like even standing up I

2670
01:49:59,629 --> 01:49:58,020
couldn't see much of it you know I mean

2671
01:50:01,370 --> 01:49:59,639
I want to be able to get way up there

2672
01:50:02,990 --> 01:50:01,380
and look down on them like this and see

2673
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:03,000
exactly what this thing was and solve

2674
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:05,159
the mystery so I waited till it went

2675
01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:06,000
under

2676
01:50:10,430 --> 01:50:07,860
because I was sneaky you know and stuff

2677
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:10,440
and I started backing up the hill and as

2678
01:50:15,950 --> 01:50:13,199
I got part way up the hill I

2679
01:50:18,590 --> 01:50:15,960
I like my heel like some of the gravel

2680
01:50:19,850 --> 01:50:18,600
those rocks like it it came loose or

2681
01:50:21,649 --> 01:50:19,860
whatever and stuff I stumbled a little

2682
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:21,659
bit and this thing must have heard it

2683
01:50:27,950 --> 01:50:24,960
because it surfaced loudly and it wasn't

2684
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,960
where I expected it at the surface I

2685
01:50:31,070 --> 01:50:29,520
expected to be in the path had been

2686
01:50:33,290 --> 01:50:31,080
coming when it serviced it was like off

2687
01:50:34,129 --> 01:50:33,300
to this side you know like I don't know

2688
01:50:37,550 --> 01:50:34,139
like

2689
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:37,560
20 yards 15 20 yards away from where I

2690
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:40,320
expected it and I heard this like Splash

2691
01:50:44,450 --> 01:50:43,199
and I turned and looked and just as I

2692
01:50:48,770 --> 01:50:44,460
was turning it must have been like

2693
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:48,780
diving them and I saw its shoulder and

2694
01:50:54,649 --> 01:50:51,360
its upper arm and its elbow and its form

2695
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,659
like this okay all this broke the

2696
01:50:57,709 --> 01:50:56,400
surface of the water like that it was

2697
01:50:59,810 --> 01:50:57,719
very muscular

2698
01:51:02,450 --> 01:50:59,820
it had thick

2699
01:51:05,390 --> 01:51:02,460
Irish Setter like hair drenched hanging

2700
01:51:07,490 --> 01:51:05,400
down streaming and it went under and

2701
01:51:09,530 --> 01:51:07,500
then it started swimming not towards me

2702
01:51:12,290 --> 01:51:09,540
although close but it was looking for

2703
01:51:13,790 --> 01:51:12,300
that narrow Corridor that went under the

2704
01:51:16,430 --> 01:51:13,800
causeway and that's where it was headed

2705
01:51:17,930 --> 01:51:16,440
so I rushed over I don't know how far I

2706
01:51:20,810 --> 01:51:17,940
was maybe

2707
01:51:23,149 --> 01:51:20,820
30 feet I'm guessing to the edge of the

2708
01:51:25,609 --> 01:51:23,159
water where that little tunnel was so it

2709
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:25,619
went like that you know and then it I

2710
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:28,260
saw its shadowy form like go underwater

2711
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:31,080
like this like that it was very fast

2712
01:51:36,109 --> 01:51:33,600
very fast swimmer and the water went

2713
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:36,119
like this like like that and I got to

2714
01:51:39,229 --> 01:51:37,679
tell you when it was out there I thought

2715
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:39,239
it was only about five feet long but it

2716
01:51:43,010 --> 01:51:41,280
seemed a little bigger when it went when

2717
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:43,020
it swam by to the point that I was like

2718
01:51:46,250 --> 01:51:44,639
whoa I took a step back like what the

2719
01:51:49,250 --> 01:51:46,260
heck is that you know this type of thing

2720
01:51:50,750 --> 01:51:49,260
so then I it went into the tunnel and I

2721
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:50,760
ran up the hill

2722
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:52,500
you almost got whipped by a car

2723
01:51:57,470 --> 01:51:55,440
literally I almost got killed okay and I

2724
01:51:58,910 --> 01:51:57,480
was like this and I ran across and I

2725
01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:58,920
told my brothers I was like guys guys

2726
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,780
guys I was calling it The hairy red

2727
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,880
thing okay there was a hairy red thing

2728
01:52:06,109 --> 01:52:04,800
this big thing it was swimming over

2729
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:06,119
there I said it's gonna come through

2730
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:07,920
right now right through here watch watch

2731
01:52:12,050 --> 01:52:10,320
watch watch watch like this well by the

2732
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:12,060
time I got to the top of the hill not

2733
01:52:16,010 --> 01:52:13,920
even almost got creamed it had already

2734
01:52:18,290 --> 01:52:16,020
gone through I got this thing like I

2735
01:52:20,209 --> 01:52:18,300
told you this thing was fast and so

2736
01:52:22,910 --> 01:52:20,219
we're standing there and a minute passes

2737
01:52:26,450 --> 01:52:22,920
they're like you're a can I say the

2738
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:26,460
d-i-c-k word on here uh sure they said

2739
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:28,920
you're a dick stop wasting our time

2740
01:52:33,290 --> 01:52:30,239
whatever stuff like that I'm like I'm

2741
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,300
I'm like and as I said that I don't know

2742
01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:35,040
how far to the left maybe 100 feet away

2743
01:52:39,890 --> 01:52:37,380
there were all these lily pads that came

2744
01:52:42,109 --> 01:52:39,900
out from the edge there you know like

2745
01:52:44,450 --> 01:52:42,119
Prime bass habitat stuff and something

2746
01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:44,460
serviced in the lily pads under them

2747
01:52:47,870 --> 01:52:46,380
like there was this crash like this you

2748
01:52:50,209 --> 01:52:47,880
know and I was like wait a minute and

2749
01:52:52,129 --> 01:52:50,219
like that's a fish and then like like I

2750
01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:52,139
don't know 30 sec years later it popped

2751
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,300
up like like 30 feet further like crash

2752
01:52:59,209 --> 01:52:56,880
like that crash like that and it was in

2753
01:53:01,070 --> 01:52:59,219
there this thing using the lily pads to

2754
01:53:02,689 --> 01:53:01,080
cover itself and it was serviced under

2755
01:53:04,250 --> 01:53:02,699
the lily pads for air and then keep

2756
01:53:06,169 --> 01:53:04,260
moving and it did that it went around

2757
01:53:08,570 --> 01:53:06,179
the bend and then it was gone

2758
01:53:10,669 --> 01:53:08,580
okay and that's what happened so then I

2759
01:53:12,350 --> 01:53:10,679
forgot about this thing for like decades

2760
01:53:14,450 --> 01:53:12,360
you know I mean I got mocked for a few

2761
01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:14,460
times oh the hairy red thing oh and

2762
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:16,020
stuff like that you know and it wasn't

2763
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:17,520
until I was doing a lot of research I

2764
01:53:22,370 --> 01:53:19,679
was like wait a minute you know and then

2765
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,380
like I was on a show talking about it

2766
01:53:26,330 --> 01:53:24,480
and you know I mean I looked it up there

2767
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,340
was like many instances of stuff in

2768
01:53:29,870 --> 01:53:28,080
Connecticut and in that general area

2769
01:53:32,570 --> 01:53:29,880
sightings and stuff like that I had

2770
01:53:34,370 --> 01:53:32,580
found this one newspaper clipping

2771
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:34,380
um I think it was from like I don't know

2772
01:53:39,609 --> 01:53:36,900
the early 1900s whatever and it was like

2773
01:53:43,729 --> 01:53:39,619
fishermen in the lake there reported

2774
01:53:46,609 --> 01:53:43,739
hairy wild child swimming in Lake okay

2775
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:46,619
so like I was like well what is that and

2776
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:47,760
then somebody was telling me well back

2777
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,679
then you know in the 20s or 30s whatever

2778
01:53:52,609 --> 01:53:51,119
this was they didn't have the term

2779
01:53:53,930 --> 01:53:52,619
Bigfoot

2780
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:53,940
or anything like that so that's what

2781
01:53:57,229 --> 01:53:55,679
they called it you know a hairy wild

2782
01:53:59,209 --> 01:53:57,239
child so I'm thinking you know a young

2783
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:59,219
one of these things was out there you

2784
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:01,199
know it probably like like crayfish like

2785
01:54:05,930 --> 01:54:03,840
like we like potato chips you know maybe

2786
01:54:08,750 --> 01:54:05,940
it wasn't supposed to be there and its

2787
01:54:11,149 --> 01:54:08,760
parents didn't know who knows what you

2788
01:54:14,810 --> 01:54:11,159
know adolescence it was not small though

2789
01:54:18,109 --> 01:54:14,820
it was easily as big as me okay before

2790
01:54:20,270 --> 01:54:18,119
that's that's you just read my mind uh

2791
01:54:23,330 --> 01:54:20,280
uh before we run completely out of time

2792
01:54:26,350 --> 01:54:23,340
we got about 60 seconds left you said

2793
01:54:29,570 --> 01:54:26,360
the arm right okay so

2794
01:54:33,590 --> 01:54:29,580
judging on that

2795
01:54:36,649 --> 01:54:33,600
um uh you know that type of anatomy that

2796
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:36,659
that size are you thinking six foot

2797
01:54:42,530 --> 01:54:40,320
seven foot eight foot do you have uh I

2798
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,540
like like the closest I could go by that

2799
01:54:47,209 --> 01:54:44,880
was the shadowy form that went past me

2800
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:47,219
and like I said it was bigger than I

2801
01:54:52,550 --> 01:54:50,400
expected but it was also down you know

2802
01:54:54,050 --> 01:54:52,560
like like deep okay I don't have deep

2803
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:54,060
that channel was right there maybe it

2804
01:54:58,370 --> 01:54:55,920
was 10 feet down but it was big enough

2805
01:55:01,010 --> 01:54:58,380
to make the water move like this only

2806
01:55:03,709 --> 01:55:01,020
Max Hawthorne has got a mer foot Story

2807
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:03,719
how that what are the odds of that right

2808
01:55:08,209 --> 01:55:06,239
I don't know but you know like like I

2809
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:08,219
said I didn't realize so my point was

2810
01:55:13,310 --> 01:55:09,840
though I was on the show this guy called

2811
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,320
into the show or wrote in and he had

2812
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,360
said he he knew the exact area he said

2813
01:55:19,129 --> 01:55:17,040
they're 100 crayfish there we used to go

2814
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,139
there Camp there catch them and fry them

2815
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:21,119
all this other stuff they stopped going

2816
01:55:25,790 --> 01:55:23,280
in like the I think the late 70s or

2817
01:55:27,890 --> 01:55:25,800
early 80s because they came back to

2818
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:27,900
their camp the camp was in the area by

2819
01:55:31,850 --> 01:55:29,520
the woods and it had been ripped to

2820
01:55:33,530 --> 01:55:31,860
pieces their entire Camp was destroyed I

2821
01:55:35,149 --> 01:55:33,540
mean destroyed ripped apart tents

2822
01:55:37,850 --> 01:55:35,159
everything scattered and they thought it

2823
01:55:39,530 --> 01:55:37,860
was quote drug crazed hippies okay

2824
01:55:41,149 --> 01:55:39,540
so they the following year their friends

2825
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:41,159
were like you come in are like no watch

2826
01:55:44,510 --> 01:55:42,480
out for the hippies so their friends

2827
01:55:46,910 --> 01:55:44,520
went out on a canoe and they were on

2828
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:46,920
squons on the side the state park side

2829
01:55:51,530 --> 01:55:49,679
and it's heavy wood stuff on a 10 feet

2830
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:51,540
from Shore or something like that to

2831
01:55:55,850 --> 01:55:53,520
fish and then all of a sudden they hear

2832
01:55:58,850 --> 01:55:55,860
some crashing through the brush and this

2833
01:56:00,649 --> 01:55:58,860
huge Buck comes running out of a tiny

2834
01:56:02,689 --> 01:56:00,659
little clearing running for its life

2835
01:56:04,910 --> 01:56:02,699
terrified Dives in the water right in

2836
01:56:07,790 --> 01:56:04,920
front of their prowl swims past them

2837
01:56:08,990 --> 01:56:07,800
eyes wide in Terror and just swims where

2838
01:56:10,729 --> 01:56:09,000
it's like to cross the lake which is

2839
01:56:12,649 --> 01:56:10,739
like a mile or something like that okay

2840
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,659
but it didn't care and they heard

2841
01:56:17,330 --> 01:56:14,880
something chasing it crashing boom boom

2842
01:56:19,070 --> 01:56:17,340
behind it and it stopped just shy of

2843
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:19,080
coming into the clearing

2844
01:56:22,370 --> 01:56:20,639
and they're like sitting there I thought

2845
01:56:25,310 --> 01:56:22,380
it was a hunter which was not a hunter

2846
01:56:27,290 --> 01:56:25,320
to be clear that mountain is so

2847
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:27,300
treacherous you try running through

2848
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,040
there you're gonna break your leg or

2849
01:56:32,990 --> 01:56:30,960
your neck I mean I put a photo of it

2850
01:56:35,570 --> 01:56:33,000
there to give an idea Boulders the size

2851
01:56:38,270 --> 01:56:35,580
of cottages slippery this that Hills

2852
01:56:40,490 --> 01:56:38,280
leaves I mean dead Falls whatever it's

2853
01:56:43,070 --> 01:56:40,500
it's nightmare fuel okay hiking through

2854
01:56:45,229 --> 01:56:43,080
there but anyway so whatever was stopped

2855
01:56:49,850 --> 01:56:45,239
and then it started throwing stuff at

2856
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,860
them pine cones branches sticks rocks

2857
01:56:53,810 --> 01:56:51,840
every like so you know a few seconds

2858
01:56:55,550 --> 01:56:53,820
another thing crack would come down hit

2859
01:56:57,890 --> 01:56:55,560
the canoe or land in the water next to

2860
01:57:00,109 --> 01:56:57,900
them and stuff which as we all know is

2861
01:57:01,729 --> 01:57:00,119
primate behavior and is Bigfoot behavior

2862
01:57:03,950 --> 01:57:01,739
and then they were like hey you know

2863
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:03,960
we're in the canoe whatever and then it

2864
01:57:07,729 --> 01:57:06,000
stopped and then he heard about this

2865
01:57:09,229 --> 01:57:07,739
from these friends and he put it all

2866
01:57:12,649 --> 01:57:09,239
together and he thought you know that

2867
01:57:15,050 --> 01:57:12,659
makes sense now see so you know that's

2868
01:57:17,930 --> 01:57:15,060
you know more evidence to back up the

2869
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:17,940
exact same Lake everything that I

2870
01:57:21,169 --> 01:57:19,199
thought with the crayfish and everything

2871
01:57:23,750 --> 01:57:21,179
like that it all makes sense it just

2872
01:57:25,490 --> 01:57:23,760
lined up you know I didn't expect this

2873
01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:25,500
but I'm gonna say it I'm gonna go on the

2874
01:57:30,770 --> 01:57:28,380
record Max best Bigfoot story I've ever

2875
01:57:35,149 --> 01:57:30,780
heard that's that right there

2876
01:57:38,450 --> 01:57:35,159
that's incredible I have never

2877
01:57:40,490 --> 01:57:38,460
um yeah yeah I've been many times when

2878
01:57:42,169 --> 01:57:40,500
we were there in that Park yeah where

2879
01:57:44,410 --> 01:57:42,179
you'd see not many but several times

2880
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:44,420
where you'd see a police helicopter

2881
01:57:49,129 --> 01:57:47,760
searching you know over the trees in the

2882
01:57:51,890 --> 01:57:49,139
woods and stuff like that and people

2883
01:57:53,930 --> 01:57:51,900
disappeared Somebody went missing you

2884
01:57:56,089 --> 01:57:53,940
know stuff like that it was creepy you

2885
01:57:59,149 --> 01:57:56,099
know so I I don't know but you know

2886
01:58:00,830 --> 01:57:59,159
whatever I mean I I just joke like

2887
01:58:17,109 --> 01:58:00,840
imagine if I threw out a line and I

2888
01:58:20,750 --> 01:58:19,970
guys here's the hairy red thing see you

2889
01:58:23,689 --> 01:58:20,760
later

2890
01:58:27,370 --> 01:58:23,699
they were like whoa hey hey Max we've

2891
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:27,380
got your links up uh foreign and and

2892
01:58:32,810 --> 01:58:30,239
Diablo so thank you for that where can

2893
01:58:34,910 --> 01:58:32,820
everybody find your stuff and and uh

2894
01:58:36,290 --> 01:58:34,920
where's the best place to reach out uh

2895
01:58:38,510 --> 01:58:36,300
to you

2896
01:58:40,970 --> 01:58:38,520
um Facebook or Twitter

2897
01:58:44,750 --> 01:58:40,980
um would be fine it's uh real max

2898
01:58:47,030 --> 01:58:44,760
Hawthorne on Facebook and YouTube and I

2899
01:58:48,649 --> 01:58:47,040
I'm not sure what the Twitter one is you

2900
01:58:50,209 --> 01:58:48,659
know they keep changing my stuff around

2901
01:58:51,410 --> 01:58:50,219
here let me see if I can tell you real

2902
01:58:53,390 --> 01:58:51,420
quick

2903
01:58:54,649 --> 01:58:53,400
um but I mean Facebook I have like a

2904
01:58:56,270 --> 01:58:54,659
personal page and then there's a group

2905
01:58:57,589 --> 01:58:56,280
on there called monsters and Marine

2906
01:58:59,689 --> 01:58:57,599
Mysteries which people are welcome to

2907
01:59:02,149 --> 01:58:59,699
join we post a lot of great stuff on

2908
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:02,159
there uh it's a really friendly group so

2909
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:05,280
I can't recommend that enough and no BS

2910
01:59:08,750 --> 01:59:07,199
we don't allow trolls we don't allow

2911
01:59:10,669 --> 01:59:08,760
bullying or anything like that somebody

2912
01:59:11,629 --> 01:59:10,679
steps that line they get stomped to us

2913
01:59:13,609 --> 01:59:11,639
whatever

2914
01:59:15,129 --> 01:59:13,619
um on Twitter it's the max Hawthorne for

2915
01:59:18,350 --> 01:59:15,139
some reason

2916
01:59:20,689 --> 01:59:18,360
I don't know why Bill and John inside

2917
01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:20,699
get everything up in the chat for Max

2918
01:59:25,850 --> 01:59:23,460
and uh we'll get everything out there in

2919
01:59:27,890 --> 01:59:25,860
social media for you Max I look forward

2920
01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:27,900
to the next time that you're on the show

2921
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man great it was my pleasure thank you

2922
01:59:35,689 --> 01:59:33,000
so much behave and be well and and enjoy

2923
01:59:40,010 --> 01:59:35,699
your weekend you too big guy thank you

2924
01:59:43,250 --> 01:59:40,020
Max Hawthorne and uh mer foot I didn't

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01:59:47,089 --> 01:59:43,260
expect that and uh go check out squant's

2926
01:59:49,490 --> 01:59:47,099
pond it's squons with a z and you can

2927
01:59:53,450 --> 01:59:49,500
see Candlewood Lake right there and and

2928
01:59:56,030 --> 01:59:53,460
look at look at that while Max is uh

2929
01:59:58,910 --> 01:59:56,040
telling the story and you'll get uh the

2930
02:00:02,629 --> 01:59:58,920
complete picture it's right there I want

2931
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everybody to enjoy and have a great safe

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fun and amazing weekend

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02:00:26,870 --> 02:00:24,840
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02:00:28,609 --> 02:00:26,880
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02:00:35,750 --> 02:00:34,199
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02:00:41,870 --> 02:00:38,340
Church everybody have an amazing weekend

2949
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:41,880
we'll see you on Monday go back Lee

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